6,467 thoughts on “Greatest Warrior of All Time

  1. @ Sanjay,

    Your statement-“Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India. You are pleading with so many justifications is the proof in itself that Arjun could not kill him fairly.”

    My ans- You are right Sanjay… Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India….. so just because Arjun killed Karna in that position, so it does not prove Karna equal to Arjun….. Thanks for enlightment…. All the best with your Wild thinking…..

    Your statement-“Merciful Arjun was sent out on a mission to Indralok & Shiva so that he could counter this looser warrior. Karna gave him three chances. Right? Still Arjun was showing mercy and same merciful Arjun became so desperate in Kurukshetra war after 7 days of fighting him that he had to wait for him to extricate his wheel so that he could off-load the burden of mercy from his shoulder by killing him”

    My ans- Just like you said- Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India… Because the fact remains Arjun vs Karna = 7:0…. And it proves Karna was nowhere the class of Arjun….. So all the best with your Wild thinking…..

    Your statement-“Karna ran away everytime…..and came back….and everytime Arjun waited for him to run away again?….best warrior hai ke comedian? Are you telling me Arjun did not face Karna in seven days of Kurukshetra war? Give me a break! He was standing firing Bharagava in front of Arjun, he was killing Ghatotkach in front of Arjun, he was mocking Bhima in front of Arjun, he was available the next day after Abhimanyu’s death, he was available to Yudi being almost made captive, he was present while mocking Nakul……”

    My ans- Blah…blah..blah…. Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India… Because the fact remains Arjun vs Karna = 7:0…. And it proves Karna was nowhere the class of Arjun….. So all the best with your Wild thinking…..

    Your statement-“My question – -“Five Pandavas helping one Virat king and One Karna helping 100 Kauravas and their army in jungle means same to you???”… Judge sahaab judgement nahin ANSWER chahiye! YES or NO?”

    My ans- In the context of the Phrase-“A friend IN NEED, is a friend indeed”, YES, these 2 examples are the same…..

    Your statement-“whether Pandavas revealed their identity or not? If you accept they revealed their identity then it means there was NO compromise since it was revealed to their friend (as you claim) only. The compromise would have been if it was revealed to the world.”

    My ans- My point is that Pandavas had revealed their identity to Viraat, which was harmless, as Pandavas knew that Viraat wont tell anyone….. But the main compromise was that they revealed their identity to Kurus(when Arjun came out to protect Viraat) just for the sake of Protecting Viraat….

    Your statement-“Anyhow do you really think they would have reacted in the same manner had Viraat been attacked in the beginning of their Agyatwas?”

    My ans- Well if Viraat had given Pandavas shelter, then Pandavas would have reacted in the same manner had Viraat been attacked ANYTIME during their Agyatwas…….

    Your statement-“I have quoted MB on this and since then I am Yawning! Ab aap agar yeh bhi maan len ki Karna is fight mein mara gaya to bhi mujhe koi farak nahin padta!”

    My ans- Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India… Because the fact remains Arjun defeated Karna at Swayamwar war…..

    Your statement-“My understanding is in proportion to your posts. ARE VOWS SUPERNATURAL OR NOT FOR YOU? Vow cannot be your baby that if Bhishma takes it then it is supernatural interpolation but if Arjun takes it, it is scientific truth. I am not interested in faltu ka gyan!”

    My ans- But you are surely interested in asking Faltu ke questions….. I already replied to this questions of yours- No, VOWS are not supernatural, hence i dont refute them on the basis of supernaturality…..

    Your statement-“My question was simple why was Bhima forced to offer wrestling instead of any personal weapon? Do you mean to say warriors used to carry heavy weapons only? Nothing for personal combat if it is sanctioned in such war situations? You will claim that he chose it because it would have been sure death warrant for Karna. Right? If so then why brag about Arjun’s vow? So either Bhima wanted to kill him or was left frustrated and helpless.”

    My ans- Another worthless question….. Bhima challenged Karna for wrestling, because both Bhima & Karna were weaponless at that time, hence only wrestling match was possible….. BUT Karna refused the challenge because, till that time Bhima had decided to ignore Arjun’s Vow & to kill Karna by himself…. And Karna had sensed the KILLER intention of BHima, hence Karna refused to fight further & ran away……

    And Arjun’s Vow became significant when Bhima jumped on to the car of Karna & then did not grab to kill him….. And later also Bhima raised his fist to hit Karna but refrained from doing so, because of Arjun’s Vow…..

    Your statement-“My understanding also says Bhima fought DUELS with Kichak, Jarasandh, Bakasura etc. and not WAR. Please check what does WAR mean then read what all have you posted?”

    My ans- So you mean to say that Wrestling is Not a WAR ??? So according to you, when 2 warriors fight a long battle & exhaust all of their arsenal & when both becomes weaponless, then Both the warrior should Shake hands & Say to each other-“Hey buddy, we cannot wrestle, because Mr Sanjay says that it is not a war & we are here for a war & not for a DUAL, hence lets return to our respective homes & then we will come back tomorrow with fresh arsenal to continue our fight..” … Ha…ha…ha…..ha..

    I wonder, you should have then scolded Karna for fighting a Wrestling DUAL with Jarasandh, after they both exhausted their arsenal in a WAR….. Sanjay ji, Karna ridiculed your own THEORY….. What a shame….!! Aapki Samajhdaari ko mera Namaskaaar….!!

    Your statement-“If Pandavas win whole earth w/o fighting Hastinapur, Rukmi, Panchala, Dwarka, northern kurus, Chedi, Magadh etc. then it is CONQUEST and if others do so then it is LIMITED Conquests? MB clearly says Dhritrahstra performing FIVE sacrifices equal unto 100 HORSE-SACRIFICES. If you find glorification in 100 then what about 5? YES IT IS YOUR MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE YOUR OWN CONCEPTS OF SACRIFICES and that is why everytime MB exposes your intelligence on the topic. As far as Jarasandh and Pandu’s conquests are concerned you better ask Ved Vyas or KMG who had made many other blunders.”

    My ans- Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……. Wild thinking does not invite any taxes from Government of India…… Ha..ha..ha….

    Your statement-“Karna is not begging your respect. People give him respect. If you read MB 70 per cent it talks about Pandavas and Kauravas. Since Krishna, Karna and Shakuni are consistent part of respective groups they find another 20 per cent mention. Rest 10 per cent is all stories of yore days and other characters. If this one-third of 20 per cent story of MB is not talked about at length then it is understandable. BUT then this does not mean that his status was fluke. You are focused on his wars in reference to Arjun’s wars but I am also looking at other significant events like Krishna, Kunti and Indra visiting him, Parasurama rewarding him with his Vijay bow, him not backing off from donating KK fully knowing the reason of demand etc. Why so much attention to this 6 per cent part of MB? Whether you accept that or not is your problem but the fact is MB does not portray him completely which defies all logics for him to attain such fame. Few erratic examples from MB – multiple warriors with name Karna, his one-line mention in Drupad war, Kansa becoming Karna in Bhima’s subjugation, Karna unable to string swaymwar bow and then succeeding in almost hitting the target…….suddenly gods, divinity, teachers etc start equating such a faliure with the BEST? There is definitely something wrong somewhere.”

    My ans- Ha..ha..ha….Ha..ha..ha…. Hey friends look….. I just asked Sanjay to show me ONLY ONE significant performance of Karna all througout MB, BUT Sanjay COULD NOT show me that…. and instead, he gave a BATTERY of EXCUSES to defend the fact that there is NOT A SINGLE significant performance of Karna all througout MB…… Ha..ha..ha…. Isey kehte hai-“Doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani” karrnaa…..

    And buddy RESPECT is EARNED & not asked for(which you were asking for Karna in your previous post)…. But Karna DID NOT give us any reason to respect him as a warrior or as a person….. And as prove above, Even you COULDNT find any reason….. It is just your childish favouritism that you give such high regards to Karna…..

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  2. Sujal – I knw Karna lovers have to change the meaning of sentence to counter. You guys instead of understanding just wanna change the facts in the name of understanding. finding Arjuna unequal itself is proof of Arjuna overpowering him.

    Sanjay – HE DID NOT FIND ARJUN UNEQUAL. HE FOUND BRAHMIN UNEQUAL. It is narration of MB which takes Arjun’s name but the name & the person doing so is UNKNOWN to Karna. Please understand it correctly…..

    “AND PARRYING ALL THOSE IMPETUOUS ARROWS SHOT AT HIM BY ARJUNA, KARNA SENT UP A LOUD SHOUT. AND THIS FEAT OF HIS WAS APPLAUDED BY ALL THE WARRIORS. THEN ADDRESSING HIS ANTAGONIST, Karna said,

    LITERAL MEANING OF THE STATEMENT – It says Karna destroyed all arrows of Arjun shot at him. He gave a shout after doing so. People around applauded his feat. Then he addressed Arjun….what other meaning is there according to you?

    UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATEMENT – This means that Arjun’s attack was shunned or in other words Arjun could not over-power him or in more Arjun-friendly words he matched Arjun’s prowess….. what other meaning is there according to you?

    SITUATIONAL MEANING OF THE STATEMENT – This point was the end of fight because after this there was a dailogue-baazi between Karna and Arjun. Karna knew that only Arjun could do such antics as was done by Brahmin so asked him if he was Arjun/Rama etc to which Arjun lied. So obviously he would stop fighting since brahmin emerged to be an irrelevant person for him to take fight to another level or even continue it. Since he asked him if he was Arjun itself means that if brahmin’s answer was in affirmation there MIGHT have been a different turn of events. Ab is mein aur kya bacha hai samajhane ko aap ki taraf se?

    Hence Karna did not BACK-OFF from the fight as is being perceived by you but he STOPPED the fight finding it irrelevant. Now it is up to your understanding how you understand it.

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    Sujal – Do you guys read MB with blind eye or without any effort to understand ?? The warriors including Duryo and Karna and Salya had issued death warrant for 2 brahmins who were ready to fight, the other Brahmins were not fighting, king whom Duryo and co wanted to kill i.e Drupada was hiding behind those Brahmins. And incensed at finding the strength and energy of Arjuna’s arms unequalled on the earth, Karna, the son of Surya, fought with greater vigour. Means when he found that the rival can not be equalled he got angry and fought vigorously

    Sanjay – HE DID NOT FIND ARJUN UNEQUAL. HE FOUND BRAHMIN UNEQUAL. It is narration of MB which takes Arjun’s name but the name & the person doing so is UNKNOWN to Karna. Please understand it correctly…..

    Did you read in the same MB who switched to war mode first with your eyes wide open? Death warrant was issued by the monarch MOB after seeing Brahmin duo (who volunteered to fight the MOB) in war mode. The brahmins who were not in war mode were shielding Drupad. Duryo & other monarchs tried reaching them w/o harming NON-WARRING brahmins. Karna began his fight after he was attacked and made to faint.
    Now you have a problem – why should a fatal attack by brahmin be answered VIGOROUSLY? Okay… let me try to make you understand. Karna was a warrior and brahmin’s sudden attack made him faint. So he got up and attacked him lightly. But when he found brahmin was no ordinary brahmin he raised level of his attack (vigorously). They both engaged in fight showing their skills and prowess. During this fight Karna sensed such prowess could not be of any ordinary person so first he matched brahmin by shunning his attack then he questions his identity. Finding a negative answer to his suspicion he desisted (meaning stopped) fighting him.

    You guys know the whole episode completely but are finding it difficult how Karna actually did opposite of what you guys are thinking.

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    1. Sanjay – HE DID NOT FIND ARJUN UNEQUAL. HE FOUND BRAHMIN UNEQUAL. It is narration of MB which takes Arjun’s name but the name & the person doing so is UNKNOWN to Karna. Please understand it correctly…..

      Sujal :- I guess Arjuna and Brahmin were same person so whether he found Brahmin unequal or Arjuna unequal is same.

      It was Karna who actually chose to rush towards Arjuna as Arjuna was prepared to fight all monarchs and not only Karna.

      And Karna endued with great energy rushed against Jishnu for fight. And Salya the mighty king of Madra rushed against Bhima like an elephant rushing against another for the sake of a she-elephant in heat.

      Now when people rush at each other for fight there will always be one who will attack first “dono pehle aap pehle aap nahi karenge”.

      SO THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR KARNA CHOOSE TO FIGHT ARJUNA AMONGST OTHER KINGS SO NO BRAHMIN THEORY IS SUPPORTED HE WOULD HAVE KILLED BRAHMIN IF BRAHMIN WOULD BE WEAK AS THAT WAS THE MOTIVE OF HIS WHICH WAS FAILED BY ARJUNA. IT WAS BACK OFF AND IT IS CLEAR.

      Sanjay :- You guys know the whole episode completely but are finding it difficult how Karna actually did opposite of what you guys are thinking.

      Sujal :- Karna actually did exactly what he was best at running away or backing of whenever in danger.

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  3. @ Smarty,

    Your statement-“just post the line where Shikhandi is shown riding a different chariot,”

    My ans- Smarty this has become your habit of not reading the Actual Facts of Vyas MB & blabbering your own HAWA-MAHAL non-sense….. I have posted the relevant passages many times previously which clearly showed that on 10th day Pandavas made an arry of army in which Shikhandi was placed at the apex(front) of that arry & Bhima/Arjun were his left/right wheel protectors & …. sons of Draupadi & Abhimanyu Protected the Rear of Shikhandi’s car…. But due to your habit of flying in your HAWA-MAHAL & ignoring the facts, you ar still asking me those passages…. Okay, for your hallucianted brain, Here are those passages AGAIN:

    KMG quotes:
    “And they marched out, O king, having formed an array that was destructive of all foes. And Sikhandin, O monarch, was stationed in the very van of all the troops. And Bhimasena and Dhananjaya became the protectors of his car-wheels. And in his rear were the sons of Draupadi and the valiant Abhimanyu. And those mighty car-warriors, viz., Satyaki and Chekitana. became the protectors of the last. And behind them was Dhrishtadyumna proteced by the Panchalas, Next to Dhrishtadyumna, behind, marched the royal Yudhishthira, accompanied by the twins, filling the air with leonine shouts, O bull of Bharata’s race. Next behind him was Virata, surrounded by his own troops. Next to him marched Drupada, O mighty-armed one. And the five Kaikeya brothers and the valiant Dhrishtaketu, O Bharata, protected the rear of the Pandava army.”
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    Your statement-“But how can you say Arjuna killed Bhisma fairly. lets forget about Kauravas warriors accusation even Satyaki and Dhristadyumna never supported that.”

    My ans- Buddy it is your job to prove that Arjun killed bhishma unfairly & you have failed to prove this baseless claim of yours since the time we began debating….. So give me a break…. Just because you repetidily blabber Non-sense opinions, so it is not my job the prove the opposite, because the onus is on you to prove your claim, otherwise DONT TALK IN AIR……

    Your statement-“Sachin :Thus ALL THE PANDAVAS, PLACING SIKHANDIN BEFORE THEM pierced Bhishma in that battle repeatedly surrounding him on all sides. Smarty; abhi isme bhi dimaag lagane ki jaroorat hai.Shikhandi was in the same chariot with Arjuna, since Arjuna and Shikhandi were leading the attack so rest of them were behind their chariot. now they shot arrows keeping Arjuna and Shikhandi ahead of them ( before them).”

    My ans- Ha..ha..ha…ha.. This is Smarty at his hilarious best….. The phrase “PLACING SIKHANDIN BEFORE THEM” has two meaning according to Smarty…. If it is used for Arjun, then Arjun is in the same Car as Shikhandi & hiding behind Shikahndi, BUT if this phrase is used for Other Pandavas warriors then Shikhandi’s Car’s entry gate closes & shikhandi says- “NO ENTRY to others” & Now whole Pandavas army HIDES behind Arjun+Shikahndi ?????…. Ha..ha..ha…ha.. Why ?? Because STONE COLD SMARTY SAID SO….. Ha..ha..ha…ha….. What a rubbish Punctured & childish arguement…. You failed to refute the fact again Smarty…..

    Your statement-“read this Aswatthama can lie , so Karna was never defeated by Arjuna at Viratyudh and he never lost to Ghandharvas.Sanjay of MB too can lie , so what to and whom to believed. since all the narration of Kurukshetra war was by Sanjaya.”

    My ans- Hao Maharaaj….!! When people talk wrong about Karna, they become a liar ….. Aap Dhanya ho….!!

    Your statement-“But how can you say Arjuna killed Bhisma fairly. lets forget about Kauravas warriors accusation even Satyaki and Dhristadyumna never supported that. now give me reason, why would they do that?”

    My ans- Just like i previously pointed out that Smarty give more weightage to someone’s STATEMENT then the ACTUAL EVENT…this is the perfect example….. Let me ask you a counter question- Do you believe EVERYTHING which Shishupal said abut Krishna at Rajsuya ceremony ?? I know you wont…. Because in anger one can say any baseless rubbish against anyone…. Same was the case with Satyaki/Dhristadyumna for Arjun, Shishupal for Krishna, Ashwatthama/Kripa for Karna(on 14th day) etc etc….. Only clueless people gives weightage to such rubbish comments…..

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    1. as we here to discuss on your theories. we would believe what is written in MB.

      both Sanjay and Aswatthama said Shikhandi was placed in the same van of Arjuna. you mean to say they were Lying? why would they lie?

      now suddenly : you had a change of opinion?

      Sachin : I know you wont…. Because in anger one can say any baseless rubbish against anyone

      Arjuna said : It was for thy good, O chief of men, that Bhishma, firmly devoted to truth, himself told thee the means of his death in battle, and was slain by the heroic and high-souled Shikhandi, the son of Drupada, protected by me. I do not derive any pleasure from the thought of thy restoration to sovereignty, since thou art addicted to the evil practice of gambling.

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  4. Sujal – I knw Karna lovers have to change the meaning of sentence to counter. You guys instead of understanding just wanna change the facts in the name of understanding. finding Arjuna unequal itself is proof of Arjuna overpowering him.

    Smarty : yes , only you are master in ENGLISH . frankly saying all the bloggers English is very much the same except sanjay. Which I think has got super command of this language. He is level above us .

    Then Karna and Arjuna, both foremost of victorious warriors, desirous of vanquishing each other, fought madly on. And such was the lightness of hand they both displayed that (each enveloped by the other’s shower of arrows) they both became invisible (unto the spectators of their encounter). ‘Behold the strength of my arms.’–‘Mark, how I have counteracted that feat,’–those were the words–intelligible to
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    heroes alone–in which they addressed each other. And incensed at finding the strength and energy of Arjuna’s arms unequalled on the earth, Karna, the son of Surya, fought with greater vigour. And parrying all those impetuous arrows shot at him by Arjuna, Karna sent up a loud shout.

    sujal :The warriors including Duryo and Karna and Salya had issued death warrant for 2 brahmins who were ready to fight, the other Brahmins were not fighting, king whom Duryo and co wanted to kill i.e Drupada was hiding behind those Brahmins.

    smarty: how bad it would appear, duryo was beating those innocent Brahmins.

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    1. Smarty : yes , only you are master in ENGLISH . frankly saying all the bloggers English is very much the same except sanjay. Which I think has got super command of this language. He is level above us .

      Sujal :- Yes, i m not master in English, but i have read translations of MB in Hindi, Gujarati and also read many verses in Sanskrit which infact is very hard for me to understand and hence i read translations in Hindi, Gujarati. They give the same meaning i posted and not what Sanjay has posted. Now sadly hindi translations of MB are not available on net so can not post them to prove my point.

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