6,364 thoughts on “Greatest Warrior of All Time

  1. Udyoga Parva, section CXCVII

    Passage – “Yudhishthira said, ‘The spies I had placed in the army of Dhritarashtra’s son, brought me this news in the morning. Duryodhana. asked Ganga’s son of great vows, saying, ‘O lord, in what time cant thou annihilate the troops of Pandu’s sons?’ Indeed, the wicked Duryodhana was answered by him in these words, viz.,–In a month! Drona also declared that he could do the same feat in about the same time. Gautama (Kripa) indicated twice that period, as hath been heard by us. Drona’s son acquainted with weapons of high efficacy declared the period (in his case) to be ten nights. Karna also, acquainted with weapons of high efficacy, asked in the midst of the Kurus, declared that he could complete the slaughter in five days. Therefore, I also, O Arjuna, am desirous of hearing thy words, ‘In what time canst thou, O Falguni, exterminate the foe?’

    My comment – The capabilities of Kuru warriors mentioned by themselves. Well glorification or “apne mooh miyan mithoo” as Sachin pointed out?

    Passage – “Thus addressed by the king, Dhananjaya of curly hair, casting a look upon Vasudeva, said these words, ‘All these (Bhishma and others) are high-souled (warriors), accomplished in arms and acquainted with all modes of warfare. Without doubt, O king, they can exterminate (our forces) even thus! Let thy heart’s anguish, however, be dispelled. I TELL THEE TRULY THAT WITH VASUDEVA AS MY ALLY, I CAN, ON A SINGLE CAR, EXTERMINATE THE THREE WORLDS WITH EVEN THE IMMORTALS, INDEED, ALL MOBILE CREATURES THAT WERE, ARE, WILL BE, IN THE TWINKLING OF THE EYE.”

    My comment – Since Arjun is also confirming their capabilities we cannot take them as mere glorification statements. But just read how is he describing HIS capability..First condition is AVAILABILITY OF KRISHNA so Arjun needs presence of a subjugated king. Does it not confirm my yesterday’s assessment that he was always a dependent warrior who needed a support system? Here he is carving the support of Ranchhod warrior, quiet interesting!
    The lines in bold letters show his confidence (or over-confidence?) which in reality could never materialised. Now what do we call this statement of Arjun?? I cannot resist myself from declaring them as “APNE MOOH MIYAN MITHOO”

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  2. Bhishma Parva, section 15

    Duryo confirming why would Bhishma not attack Shikhandin? It was an open secret.

    “When the combatants were arrayed according to rule and when they were addrest for battle. Duryodhana, O king, said these words to Dussasana,–O Dussasana, let cars be speedily directed for the protection of Bhishma and do thou speedily urge all our divisions (to advance). That hath now come to me of which I had been thinking for a series of years, viz., the meeting of the Pandavas and the Kurus at the head of their respective troops. I do not think that there is any act more important (for us) in this battle than the protecting of Bhishma. If protected he will slay the Pandavas, the Somakas, and the Srinjayas. THAT WARRIOR OF PURE SOUL (BHISHMA) SAID,–‘I WILL NOT SLAY SIKHANDIN. IT IS HEARD THAT HE WAS A FEMALE BEFORE. FOR THIS REASON HE SHOULD BE RENOUNCED BY ME IN BATTLE. FOR THIS, BHISHMA SHOULD BE PARTICULARLY PROTECTED”

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    Bhishma Parva, section 17 confirms that Bhishma and Drona favoured Pandavas in kurukshetra war but fought only for the sake of their vows.

    “Every day the old grandsire of the Kurus (Bhishma), and the son of Bharadwaja (Drona), rising from bed in the morning, with concentrated mind, said,–‘VICTORY TO THE SONS OF PANDU’–while those chastisers of foes used (at the same time) yet to fight for THY SAKE ACCORDING TO THE PLEDGE THEY HAD GIVEN.”

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  3. Dear Niraj,

    Your statement-“Pandavas were not his own sons and if he has already lost his property than inheritance does not apply. If yudhi had lost all his wealth and gone to the forest without 13 year condition then his son would not have any right to property.”

    My ans- Ignorant arguement…. And by this logic, even Dhritrashtra/Pandu were not legal inheriters of Hastinpaur kingdoms because they were not the biological sons of Vichitravirya……. Talk logical Niraj…….

    Bhishma had vowed to relinquish his rights to throne, but by this vow Bhishma still could never relinquish the rights of his own sons to throne, because Bhishma’s sons would still have equal rights to throne, as it was an ancestral property….. Everybody knew this, that is why Bhishma took an additional vow of not marrying ever, so as to convince Satyawati that only her sons will rule in future…..

    Hence Pandu reliquishing the rights to throne, does not nullify 5 Pandavas’s right to their ancestral property…..

    Your statement-“Inheritance comes in after the person dies and what property is in his name.”

    My ans- Illogical claim…… Parikshit inherited the throne from Yudi, even though when Yudi was still alive & went for Vanwaas…… So dont give baseless claims….

    Your statement-“On the nishadha lady front I never claimed that they killed her intionally then why the hell should I give you proof. They killed her unintentionally like salman khan but didn’t own up.”

    My ans- Now this is funny….. If you accept that Pandavas hadnt had the INTENTION to burn Nishad family, then why the hell are you blaming them for such acts ?? It was an accidental event… hence this cannot be compared with the heinous & cowardly planning of Lakshagruh by Duryo/Karna/Shakuni…….

    Your statement-“If karna was most keen on proving himself superior to arjuna then its not possible for him to be wretch and involving in killing pandavas via shadyantra. Arjuna dying in shadyantra then how will he prove himself superior as a warrior to him ???”

    My ans- Quiet an emotional & superficial arguement….. You should ask this question to Karna only….. Why did he equally plan the Lakshgruh ?? Why did Karna not participate for 1st 10 days of MB war, if he was so much eager to prove himself better than Arjun ?? ….. Fact is that, Karna only BOASTED to prove himself better than Arjun but when the situation demanded, Karna was the first one to hide from that challenge…..

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    1. Yudhi had given the rights to parikshit and then went to banvaas. Nishadha killing cant blame pandavas. not having the guts to own up ie a salman khan act. thats not my idea of good human beings. I am not drawing a parallel between the incidents.

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  4. Dear Niraj,

    It seems you have already gone on to your 2nd stage of anger level…. Calm down buddy….

    And you dont need to be emotional about the criticism/insults of your favourite MB characters…. Have a big heart to hear the facts about them & their criticism…..

    Your statement-“Fact number one karna had equalled abhimanyu”

    My ans- Utter LIE…. Dont talk in air Niraj… Prove this from KMG…. Had Karna equalled Abhimnayu, then what was the need of a joint attack by 6 Maharathis ??

    KMG quotes:
    Then Karna, the son of Vikartana, said unto Drona, ‘Abhimanyu griendeth us all. Tell us the means by which we may slay him.'”
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    Here, the great Karna himself accepted the Abhimanyu was grinding him & all Kuru Maharathi…. so where is the question of Karna equalling Abhimanyu ??

    KMG quotes:
    “Karna, afflicted with the shafts of Arjuna’s son, once more said unto Drona, ‘Exceedingly afflicted with the shafts of Abhimanyu, I am staying in battle, only because (as a warrior) I should stay here. Indeed, the arrows of this youth of great energy are exceedingly fierce. Terrible as they are and possessed of the energy of fire, these arrows are weakening my heart.”
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    Is this the language of a warrior who was equalling Abhimanyu in a one-on-one fight ?? Karna himself accepted that he was staying in the battlefield only because he has been ordered (by the commander) to stay…. otheriwise Karna would have used his age-old trusted strategy of RUNNING AWAY from battlefield to save his life from Abhimanyu……. So is it a sign of an equally capable warrior, who was not even willing to stay in the battlefield ??

    Your statement-“fact no two that karna had cut his bow in a fair fight.”

    My ans- LIE again…… As proved previously, Karna cut the bow when Abhimanyu was fighting with other kuru warriors……

    Your statement-“why didnt he cut it earlier sorry non concontextual question need not be answered.”

    My ans- Offcousre it was non-contextual for Karna, because karna hadnt had the support of 5 other Maharathis to jointly attack Abhimanyu….. And after one-on-one fight with Abhimanyu, Karna was thinking of leaving the battlefield, so why would he think of cutting his bow ??

    Your statement-“Rama in consultation with matali fired brahmastra at Ravana and killed him on his own merit. Why didnt rama fire brahamstra ealrier does not make ravanas death unethical.”

    My ans- Non-contextual example…. Ram was not helped by 5 other Maharathis when he killed Raavan…..

    Your statement-“It was ashwatthamas mercy that he did not fire naryanastra there or it would have been arjuna RIP. bhimas realty in front of naryana astra is made clear by KMG.”

    My ans- Dont talk in air Niraj…… Ashwatthama fired his Narayanstra at Pandavas, but still he couldnt kill any Maharathi with it….. Ashwatthama fired his most potent weapon Brahmashira at pandavas on day 19, still it was nullified by Arjun…. So what mercy of Ashwatthama you are talking about…. It was Arjun’s mercy that he spared Ashwatthama’s life some 4 to 5 times…..

    Your statement-“bheeshma bhurishrava drona karna duryodhana all were killed unfairly. Its mentioned in KMG.”

    My ans- Stop talking in Hawa-Mahal…. Prove this from KMG….. And as there are no rules in a war, all is fair….

    Your statement-“its not killing guru. Its killing guru by unfair murderous means and they being silent sams.”

    My ans- Baseless accusation….. Pandavas never planned to kill Drona & this is a fact from Vyas MB…. They only planned to spread a false rumor, so that Drona desists from fighting…. also Drona DID NOT put down his weapon immediatly after hearing that lie but he was fighting with same intensity….. He put down his weapon only when he found Pandavas too hot to handle & when he was helpless & when all of his support staff had ran away leaving him alone in danger…. then suddenly Drona remembered that it was his MEDITATION TIME…..And battleground is not a place to do MEDITATION……

    And spreading False rumor is an age old war strategy…. And this only proves that Drona(being a teacher himself) was not capable to cope up with such adverse war situations……

    Regarding Bhima’s badtameeze towards Dhritrashtra/Gandhari….. Yes i accept that it was not ethical for Bhima to insult such old age persons…..

    Your statement-“Pandu has declared that he has given up all wealth so pandavas or for that matter anyone inheriting pandus wealth is non contextual as pandu had no wealth from this moment”

    My ans- Buddy, you need a big wake up call about the knowledge of Ancestral Property inheritance…… Even today, if a Man(A) passes on his property to his son(B), then that son cannot throw away his own sons(Grandsons of A) from that property, because on the ancestral property, no inheritar can exclude the succeeding inheriters…..

    But, Yes, if a poor Man makes his own fortune on his own hardwork & become a Millionair, then he has all the right to throw away his son out of his property…. Because it is not an ancestral property….

    So Pandu had no right to exclude 5 Pandavas from their ancestral property……

    And your Anita Advani example of non-contextual here, because Anita Advani was not married to Rajesh Khanna, while Kunti was the legal wife of Pandu & 5 Pandavas were the legal sons of Kunti…..

    Your statement-“And this is what the pandavas also should have done after killing of the nishadha lady and her innocent family if they really were so great.”

    My ans- Can you show me from KMG that Pandavas intentionally killed Nishad women & her sons……

    Your statement-“On the eklavya front first of all they were not toy playing children and secondly its not toy its ruining a career and crippling some one which is being talked. Humbly request you to kindly give proper examples to proove your point”

    My ans- Running away from facts wont prove your points….. Immature Child Duryo poisoning Bhima is still pardonable but mature Shakuni helping Duryo is not pardonable….. Similalry, Adult Duryo/Karna/Shakuni planning Lakshgruh is a heinous crime……

    Similalry, it was a total fault of Drona to ask for Eklavyas’ thumb….. So stop your illogical accusations on Arjun…. Arjun did not ask Drona to cut the thumb of Eklavya…….

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    1. Sachin practice what you preach and calm down yourself. Passages from KMG have been provided. Questions don’t nullify facts. What was the need why did he do this that all hava mein teer. Eg was targeted in consultation making does not nullify significance of event. Its not language its event you need to study. Karna had cut the bow in fair fight its you who are lying.
      Dushasnas son had killed abhimanyu in one on one battle. Karna equaled abhimanyu but equaling does not mean defeat and hence consultation was made in a fair fight karna cut of abhimanyus bow. After that some joint attack may be made like army commando breaking a defence of ajmal kasab and then other jointly arresting him. We know why couldn’t ashwatthama kill any one KMG lines are there and krishan was not protecting arjuna at virat. There are no rules in war is your opinion. KMG lines are there. All were killed unfairly bhimas cheating during duryodhana ie foul blow intentional have been provided. Its not dronas capabilities but actually pandavas kaminapan that they were silent bystander of this shameful act. Satyaki a cheat of a warrior had more ethics than them.
      Your statement. – Buddy, you need a big wake up call about the knowledge of Ancestral Property inheritance…… Even today, if a Man(A) passes on his property to his son(B), then that son cannot throw away his own sons(Grandsons of A) from that property, because on the ancestral property, no inheritar can exclude the succeeding inheriters
      My ans Pandavas were not his own sons and if he has already lost his property than inheritance does not apply. If yudhi had lost all his wealth and gone to the forest without 13 year condition then his son would not have any right to property. Inheritance comes in after the person dies and what property is in his name. On the nishadha lady front I never claimed that they killed her intionally then why the hell should I give you proof. They killed her unintentionally like salman khan but didn’t own up. Damini ya to chalaak ho sakti hai ya to pagal ho sakti hai. If karna was most keen on proving himself superior to arjuna then its not possible for him to be wretch and involving in killing pandavas via shadyantra. Arjuna dying in shadyantra then how will he prove himself superior as a warrior to him ???

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  5. Dear Niraj,

    Let me remind you beforehand to be calm & dont bring down the standard of this blog, if at all our discussion takes a heated turn……

    Your statement-“here abhimanyu had already defeated and infact killed 5 of his opponents. Consultation was made and the karna cut the bow. AFTER THE BOW GOT CUTWHICH KRITAVARMAN KRIPA AND THOSE SIX WARRIORS ARE MENTIONED AND JOINT ATTACK TOOK PLACE. AT THE TIME KARNA CUT THE BOW IT WAS NOT A JOINT ATTACK”

    My ans- Your baseless conclusion wont change the fact Niraj….. And the fact is that when Drona gave the advice to Karna, at that time Abhimanyu was already busy fighting with other Kuru warriors & Karna suddenly attacked Abhimanyu when Abhimanyu was already busy fighting with other warriors…..

    KMG quotes:
    “Hearing these words of the preceptor, Vikartana’s son Karna quickly cut off, by means of his shafts, the bow of Abhimanyu, as the latter was shooting with great activity.”
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    And why couldnt Karna cut the bow of Abhimanyu when he was having a one-on-one war with him previously ?? Because every warrior knows that cutting the bow of an opponent makes him helpless….. Or do you want to say that Karna didnt even knew this simple basic of war, so that he had to take a tution class from Drona in the middle of the war ??

    Fact is that Karna could only cut the bow of Abhimanyu because he attacked him when Abhimanyu was fighting with other warriors….. And all these 6 Maharathis could make Abhimanyu weaponless & carless only because they jointly attacked him…. Otheriwise, fighting singly, they all were busy finding a place to hide from Abhimanyu……

    As per your vague conclusion, after cutting the bow of Abhimanyu, why couldnt Karna continue to fight with Abhimanyu to kill his charoteer & horses & why the hell he needed the help from Kritavarman and Kripa for this purpose ?? As Drona had advised Karna to do all these things ?? Mere giving illogical claims wont prove your points…..

    Your statement-“My answere There are so many ocassions of Arjuna pleading like a begger in front of krishna consultations are made so what.”

    My ans- Dont talk in air Niraj….. Show me the lines where Arjun asked for the tution of war skills from Krishna in the battlefield….. Arjun only needed moral advice from Krishna in the form of Geeta Updesh so as to fight against his relatives/teachers etc….

    So your basless counter allegation does not change the fact that Karna needed on-field tutions about war skills from Drona to tackle Abhimanyu…..

    Your statement-“Arjuna was a ghughuprasad incarnate during dacoit attack standing like a stooge. And did not even have the courtesy and commonsense and courtesy to send a rescue party for the helping those yadava ladies.”

    My ans- Your counter allegation clearly proves the fact that you accepted that Karna cheated Duryo on more than one occasion & could not keep his promise…..

    And your allegation on Arjun for Bhills dacoity attack is senseless…. because it was a situation of Disharmony & riots amongst the population of Dwarika & hence there was a total loss of control of the king…. which also resulted in Dacoity attack on Arjun’s camp….. And in this situation, Arjun still saved many Yadava ladies from Bhills & brought them to Hastinapur……

    Your statement-“Arjuna went crying like a skunk to drona and when drona did his horrible deed arjunas eye balls were popping up with delight.”

    My ans- Baseless accusation…… Arjun did not tell Drona to ask for Eklavya’s thumb….. It was Drona who on his own asked for Eklavyas’ thumb….. So dont cry foul play on the name of Arjun….. Jeoulousy is inherent in a child’s nature…. e.g. if one child has an expensive Toy & the 2nd child feels jeoulous of him & then he complains to his father about it, then would the father steal that expensive Toy from 1st child, so as to make happy his own child ?? If at all the father steals that toy, then the onus is totally on the matured father for doing such a crime & not on his immature child…….

    Your statement-“Bheeshma was honour bound as he had pledged to his father not to marry. Hence father over guru. Pandavas had not taken any such pledge to marry draupadi. And standing like stooges when they saw their gurus killer speaks volumes of that its they who were the wretches.”

    My ans- Nice Excuse expresses….. But you are missing a very important point here: Drona lifted his weapon to kill pandavas & their army, so Pandavas had all the right to kill their Guru….. Still 5 Pandavas never wanted to kill their Guru (Drona & Kripa) & his son(Ashwatthama), that is why Arjun spared the life of Ashwatthama on multiple times & never attempted to kill/hurt Drona… & Arjun condemned the act of Dristdyumna after he killed Drona…. This speaks volumes about the amount of respect Arjun(& Pandavas) had for his Gurus…..

    Your statement-“Bhima and narayana astra also bhimas aukat was quite clear.”

    My ans- Illogical claim…. This does not prove Narayanastra superior to Bhima, because Bhima didnt even dodge Narayanastra, still Narayanastra couldnt kill Bhima(or any other Maharathi), even though it was not nullified by anyone….. So this prove the inabilties of Narayanastra only……

    Your statement-“These 5 jokers came from the jungle with no right what so ever and their honourable mother in the anita advani fashion came to claim some thing they never had of course unless you include that 10 by 10 jhopdi in the forest.”

    My ans- A false imaginative claim….. so no need to be answered…..

    Your statement-“Yudhishthira lying to drona. Bhima supporting it Enough said. And in battle bhurishrava drona bheeshma karna duryodhana list is endless.”

    My ans- All is fair in a war……

    Your statement-“Arjuna boasted that he would end the war in one day. He seemed to be the true descedent of mungerilal.”

    My ans- Your memory has become like that of Mungerilal….. Dont you remember Viraat war where a lone Arjun finished the war in just few hours….. It was Arjun’s mercy that he spared the lives of all kuru Maharathi, otherwise you wouldnt have any MB war to discuss here…..

    Your statement-“Bhima insulted dhirtharasthra and gandhari a helpless blind couple ”

    My ans- Show me the lines from KMG, then i will comment on this…….

    Your statement-“They have cheated a number of times from many fights to save their fter been defeated, life…..It is a shame for a warrior to cheat to save his life……A Great warrior would have accepted his death or defeat instead of running away.”

    My ans- Nice imaginative claim….. Prove this from KMG……..

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    1. Sachin you also practice what you preach. Dont use insulting language on mb characters. I never made any insulting remark on you. So you also watch your mouth and calm down. your question does not nullify facts. Fact number one karna had equalled abhimanyu and fact no two that karna had cut his bow in a fair fight. why didnt he cut it earlier sorry non concontextual question need not be answered. Rama in consultation with matali fired brahmastra at Ravana and killed him on his own merit. Why didnt rama fire brahamstra ealrier does not make ravanas death unethical. If you accept virat yudh you accept the supernatural. Then you have to accept chariot burning and krishna saving as well. You cant have a tasty khichdi of all philosophies to your liking. Your paramvir chakra theory has been punctured umpteen times. Your statement all is fair in war – then you have no business accusing karna on abhmanyus death. It was ashwatthamas mercy that he did not fire naryanastra there or it would have been arjuna RIP. bhimas realty in front of naryana astra is made clear by KMG ie krishan saving the pandavas etc.

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        1. Sachin its not killing guru. Its killing guru by unfair murderous means and they being silent sams. As per your request please find bhimas budtumezee from KMG “Vaisampayana said, ‘The people who lived in the Kuru kingdom failed to notice any variance in the cordiality that subsisted between king Yudhishthira and the father of Duryodhana. When the Kuru king recollected his wicked son, he then could not but feel unfriendly, in his heart, towards Bhima. Bhimasena also, O king, impelled by a heart that seemed to be wicked, was unable to put up with king Dhritarashtra. Vrikodara secretly did many acts that were disagreeable to the old king. Through deceitful servitors he caused the commands of his uncle to be disobeyed. Recollecting the evil counsels of the old king and some acts of his, Bhima, one day, in the midst of his friends, slapped his armpits, in the hearing of Dhritarashtra and of Gandhari. The wrathful Vrikodara, recollecting his foes Duryodhana and Karna and Dussasana, gave way to a transport of passion, and said these harsh words: ‘The sons of the blind king, capable of fighting with diverse kinds of weapons, have all been despatched by me to the other world with these arms of mine that resemble a pair of iron clubs. Verily, these are those two arms of mine, looking like maces of iron, and invincible by foes, coming within whose clasp the sons of Dhritarashtra have all met with destruction. These are those two well-developed and round arms of mine, resembling a pair of elephantine trunks. Coming within their clasp, the foolish sons of Dhritarashtra have all met with destruction. Smeared with sandal-paste and deserving of that adornment are those two arms of mine by which Duryodhana has been despatched to the other world along with all his sons and kinsmen.’ Hearing these and many other words, O king, of Vrikodara, that were veritable darts, king Dhritarashtra gave way to cheerlessness and sorrow. Queen Gandhari, however, who was conversant with every duty and possessed of great intelligence, and who knew what Time brings on its course, regarded them as untrue. After five and ten years had passed away, O monarch, king Dhritarashtra afflicted (constantly) by the wordy darts of Bhima, became penetrated with despair and grief.

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          1. Sachin I apolgize. I was wrong. I said pandavas had a right to the 10 by 10 jhopdi. They didnt posses rights to that also. Below is KMG vyasaLet me quote MB – KMG
            Pandu replied, ‘If, indeed, this your resolve springeth from virtue, then with you both I shall follow the imperishable path of my fathers. Abandoning the luxuries of cities and towns, clad in barks of trees, and living on fruits and roots, I shall wander in deep woods, practising the severest penances. Bathing morning and evening, I shall perform the homa. I shall reduce my body by eating very sparingly and shall wear rags and skins and knotted locks on my head. Exposing myself to heat and cold and disregarding hunger and thirst, I shall reduce my body by severe ascetic penances, I shall live in solitude and I shall give myself up to contemplation; I shall eat fruit, ripe or green, that I may find. I shall offer oblations to the Pitris (manes) and the gods with speech, water and the fruits of the wilderness. I shall not see, far less harm, any of the denizens of the woods, or any of my relatives, or any of the residents of cities and towns. Until I lay down this body, I shall thus practise the severe ordinances of the Vanaprastha scriptures, always searching for severer ones that they may contain.’
            “Vaisampayana continued, ‘The Kuru king, having said this unto his wives, gave away to Brahmanas the big jewel in his diadem, his necklace
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            of precious gold, his bracelets, his large ear-rings, his valuable robes and all the ornaments of his wives. Then summoning his attendants, he commended them, saying, ‘Return ye to Hastinapura and proclaim unto all that Pandu with his wives hath gone into the woods, foregoing wealth, desire, happiness, and even sexual appetite.’
            ( here Pandu has declared that he has given up all wealth so pandavas or for that matter anyone inheriting pandus wealth is non contextual as pandu had no wealth from this moment ) And this is what the pandavas also should have done after killing of the nishadha lady and her innocent family if they really were so great. On the eklavya front first of all they were not toy playing children and secondly its not toy its ruining a career and crippling some one which is being talked. Humbly request you to kindly give proper examples to proove your point

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  6. Sachin’s sense of Humour – “Danveer cannot take Daan” is like Arjun being best bowman is immune to getting hit by arrows from other bowmen…..hahahahahahaha…….what a logic?????

    Correction – Angdesh was not daan but delegation of authority

    Sachin’s sense of Humour – “Eklavas’ thumb was cut by Drona & not by Pandavas, so why are you blaming Pandavas here?” is like Duhashasan disrobed Draupadi then why blame Duryo for it????…..hahahahahahahah…..what a logic???

    Correction – Eklavya’s thumb was cut by Eklavya himself and not by Drona. However, Drona asked for it on the complaint of Arjun otherwise Drona never knew of Eklavya and his superior skills.

    Sachin’s sense of Humour – “Look at Drona, he did not attack Abhimanyu in that joint attack” is like Dhritrashtra was a blind king hence should be exempted from blame of Drupadi’s insult in his court…..hahaahahahahahaha….what a logic???

    Correction – He did not do it himself but never stopped it either being Commander-in-chief who suggested bow-cutting to Karna. The instigator of a crime is equally responsible as the doer of the crime…..

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  7. Arjun’s Heroism – A REALITY OR A MYTH?

    A lot has been said about the greatness of Arjun in this Blog…both as a warrior & as a person…
    But I will give you the real character of Arjun on the basis of Ved Vyas MB…..(Kindly note the following thoughts are not my own…but are from Ved Vyas MB)

    JEALOUS – His jealousy costed Eklavya his thumb and career as a great bowman. He could not digest Karna equaling his feats in Rangshala. It was just because of his jealousy that he threatened Karna of his life (whereas Karna wanted competition) thus giving birth to intense rivalry.

    WOMANSIER & DISRESPECTFUL TOWARDS WOMEN – His penchant for women made him Pandava with maximum number of wives. Not only that he NEVER cared about their feelings either. The classic case in point is sharing of Draupadi with his brothers without any qualms. He did not utter a word even when Draupadi (his wife) was staked by Yudi confirming he neither respected women and their dignity nor he had any sensitivity towards the plight of his wife. He did not bother to counter Kunti’s unknowing instructions which demeaned Draupadi and her status as his wife.

    INHUMAN & CRUEL – He did not even think twice before killing innocent women and children in Khandava since he wanted place for the luxurious palace.

    MEAN & OPPORTUNIST – He fought with Indra in Khandava and shamelessly went to Devlok to get weapons from same Indra. He even back-stabbed his mentor and close friend Krishna when he abducted his sister Subhadra. He fought against Drupad in Gurudakshina war, married his daughter and then ridiculed her by sharing with brothers. Yet had the guts and audacity to hire Draupad’s army in Kurukshetra war.

    DARPOK WARRIOR – He could not kill Karna in numerous encounters but killed him like a DARPOK when Karna was neither attacking him nor was in a position to save himself. Killing of innocents instead of subduing their king confirms he was a timid i.e bujdill warrior. Instead of targeting Drona or any of the six maharathis who killed Abhimanyu he picked up JAYADRATHA WHO WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN HIS SON’S KILLING. This was so because Jayadratha was a softer target which could be accomplished easily instead of putting his life in danger if he would have chosen other better warriors. Of course how he subdued Bhishma in Kurukshetra war needs no mention.

    LIAR – He lied during Swayamwar war. He did not utter a word about his true identity during visit for Jarasandha killing. He did not shy away from disrobing his guru Drona in Virat war but kept on lying about his respect for him. He attacked his elders and teachers in Virat war (if it is true) without any guilt, permission or approval but faked his emotions in Kurukshetra war on same pretext.

    DEPENDENT – His main three kills in Kurkshetra war viz. Bhishma, Jayadratha and Karna were never fair killings. Shikhandi’s involvement and Krishna’s help was clearly evident. In Khandava also Krishna helped him. Some people may quote Rajsuya & Ashwamedha yaga but no prominent king was overpowered by him during these events. He could not attack Jarasandha, Rukmi, Kalyawan, Narakasura etc… on his own. He was not alone in Swaymwar war, capturing of Jayadratha, Gandhrava war, Rajsuya & Ashwamedha yagas (capturing numerous territories was collective contribution of Pandava brothers).

    INCOMPLETE WARRIOR – He did not have answers for Bhargavastra, Nagastra, Narayanastra and Vasavi. His own army did not find him suitable enough for being commander-in-chief inspite of having image of most accomplished warrior of his time. He collected many weapons for NOT USING THEM. He did not believe in his own capabilities so he chose Krishna as his charioteer against one akshauhini sena.

    UNDUE FOOTAGE – Comparatively Bheema performed better than him. Bheema had better strike rate. Bheema had more results to his credit as an accomplished warrior yet Arjun has been made an incomparable HERO just because of his COMPROMISING personality who neither took his own stand nor revealed his true colours even to his beloved ones.

    If one keep aside Arjun’s association with Krishna, then his true character is not worth to talk about. In comparison even Duryo was a more strong character who had his own mind and stand.

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  8. Sachin’s whimsical conclusion –

    “Karna killed Abhimanyu in a joint attack with 7 other Maharathis….
    Now, a great warrior who has confidence in his own ability, would never have done such thing….. instead he should have condemed such thing”

    Karna Parva, chapter 30 –

    “At this, Karna, leaving Satyaki quickly pierced Arjuna with three arrows and Krishna with twenty, and Partha again repeatedly. Although many were the arrows that he shot while slaying his foes in that battle, like Indra himself inspired with wrath, Karna yet felt no fatigue. Meanwhile Satyaki, coming up, pierced Karna with nine and ninety fierce arrows, and once more with a hundred. Then all the foremost heroes among the Parthas began to afflict Karna. Yudhamanyu and Shikhandi and the sons of Draupadi and the Prabhadrakas, and Uttamauja and Yuyutsu and the twins and Dhrishtadyumna, and the divisions of the Cedis and the Karushas and the Matsyas and Kaikeyas, and the mighty Chekitana, and king Yudhishthira of excellent vows, all these, accompanied by cars and steeds and elephants, and foot-soldiers of fierce prowess, encompassed Karna on all sides in that battle, and showered upon him diverse kinds of weapons, addressing him in harsh words and resolved to compass his destruction. Cutting off that shower of weapons with his sharp shafts, Karna dispersed his assailants by the power of his weapons like the wind breaking down the trees that stand on its way. Filled with wrath, Karna was seen to destroy car-warriors, and elephants with their riders, and horses with horse-men, and large bands of foot-soldiers. Slaughtered by the energy of Karna’s weapons, almost the whole of that force of the Pandavas, deprived of weapons, and with limbs mangled and torn, retired from the field.”

    Karna is simultaneously attacked by Satyaki, Arjun, Yudhamanyu, Shikhandi and the sons of Draupadi (5), Prabhadrakas, Uttamauja, Yuyutsu, twins of Dhristshtadyumna, Cedis, Karushas, Matsyas, Kaikeyas, Chetikana, Yudi. They were surely NOT LESS THAN 7 WARRIORS….so by Sachin’s logic all of them (including Arjun) were not confident warriors and all of them should have condemned this act of their own?

    @Sachin,

    I think this is not the puncturing but BURSTING of your tyre…

    OR are you recommending the opposite i.e. Karna should have disobeyed instructions of Drona – the commander-in-chief? In such a case Abhimanyu would have done more damage to Kaurava sena with you again blabbering Abhimanyu’s achievements and justifying the same by saying “there are NO Rules in the war”

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    1. Its actually the evaluation of pandavas which we see words like

      ‘Bheekh’(Beggery).
      These 5 jokers came from the jungle with no right what so ever and their honourable mother in the anita advani fashion came to claim some thing they never had of course unless you include that 10 by 10 jhopdi in the forest.
      liar: Wretch :
      Yudhishthira lying to drona. Bhima supporting it Enough said. And in battle bhurishrava drona bheeshma karna duryodhana list is endless.
      Ehsaan-faramosh disciples. Standing like reputed ghughuprasads and supporting their gurus killing.
      Apne Muh miya Mitthoo” (Self boastfull)
      Arjuna boasted that he would end the war in one day. He seemed to be the true descedent of mungerilal.

      Bhima insulted dhirtharasthra and gandhari a helpless blind couple panadavas did not own up to their unintentional killing of that unfortunate nishadha family. What kind of a gentleman the Great pandavas were ?
      Pandavas Bravery:
      They have cheated a number of times from many fights to save their fter been defeated, life…..It is a shame for a warrior to cheat to save his life……A Great warrior would have accepted his death or defeat instead of running away.

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      1. Oops I forgot eklavya. And great warrior would have accepted death rather than cheating. Sachin this is not the first time you have broad casted false information. Bhima and narayana astra also bhimas aukat was quite clear. The apne mooh miya mitthoo award should have gone to him.

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    2. Awwww…. The great Sanjay is back with his IMMATURE comments…..

      Buddy, didnt you realise that this battle took place in a common front where Pandavas(Satyaki, Arjun, Yudhamanyu, Shikhandi and the sons of Draupadi (5), Prabhadrakas, Uttamauja, Yuyutsu, twins of Dhristshtadyumna etc) were fighting with group of Kauravas viz. Karna, Kripa, Kritverma, Duryo, Dusshashan, Ashwatthama etc….

      So karna was not alone there…..

      So dont try to make a mockery of yourself by posting such immature comments…… You have got serious issues in interpreting the event of MB……

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      1. Ohhhh bhai MATURE!!

        Ab apni hi baat ulti padi to aap ka IF’s and BUT’s chaloo…..It is you who keep lying and manipulating facts of your favourite KMG by giving different meanings like calling conch a weapon and not me. I have the guts to give specifications of my MB quotes unlike you who just mention incomplete lines.

        Please read the status of group you are talking about:-

        Karna Parva, chapter 30

        “Then Duryodhana singly proceeded against that mighty car-warrior who was angry and irresistible and resembled a veritable Yama, striking him with his straight shafts. Arjuna, cutting off his adversary’s bow and driver and steeds and standard with seven shafts, next cut off his umbrella with one arrow. (Duryo vanquished)
        Obtaining then an opportunity, he sped at Duryodhana an excellent shaft, capable of taking the life of the person struck. Drona’s son, however, cut off that shaft into seven fragments. Cutting off then the bow of Drona’s son and slaying the four steeds of the latter with his arrow, the son of Pandu next cut off the formidable bow of Kripa too. (Ashwathama and Kripa vanquished)
        Then cutting off the bow of Hridika’s son, he felled the latter’s standard and steeds. Then cutting off the bow of Duhshasana, he PROCEEDED AGAINST THE SON OF RADHA” (other so-called group members also vanquished and Karna is alone now)

        The situation of the group is like Bheema and co. staying away from Abhimanyu. Now I am posting succeeding lines which I had posted earlier also for your hallucinated mind:-

        “At this, Karna, leaving Satyaki quickly pierced Arjuna with three arrows and Krishna with twenty, and Partha again repeatedly. Although many were the arrows that he shot while slaying his foes in that battle, like Indra himself inspired with wrath, Karna yet felt no fatigue. Meanwhile Satyaki, coming up, pierced Karna with nine and ninety fierce arrows, and once more with a hundred. Then all the foremost heroes among the Parthas began to afflict Karna. Yudhamanyu and Shikhandi and the sons of Draupadi and the Prabhadrakas, and Uttamauja and Yuyutsu and the twins and Dhrishtadyumna, and the divisions of the Cedis and the Karushas and the Matsyas and Kaikeyas, and the mighty Chekitana, and king Yudhishthira of excellent vows, all these, accompanied by cars and steeds and elephants, and foot-soldiers of fierce prowess, encompassed Karna on all sides in that battle, and showered upon him diverse kinds of weapons, addressing him in harsh words and resolved to compass his destruction. Cutting off that shower of weapons with his sharp shafts, Karna dispersed his assailants by the power of his weapons like the wind breaking down the trees that stand on its way. Filled with wrath, Karna was seen to destroy car-warriors, and elephants with their riders, and horses with horse-men, and large bands of foot-soldiers. Slaughtered by the energy of Karna’s weapons, almost the whole of that force of the Pandavas, deprived of weapons, and with limbs mangled and torn, retired from the field.”

        Now where is it written that Karna was aided by GROUP or for that matter these GREAT warriors were attacking others also apart from Karna or were NOT attacking Karna? It was very much Abhimanyu left alone kind of fight….If Karna cutting-off Abhimanyu’s bow was a crime then what was Arjun doing while vanquishing GROUP members?

        Were six maharathis waiting for Abhimanyu to come alone? Was Abhimanyu alone? If other group members could not make it with Abhimanyu to be there does it mean the Kuru warriors would have also returned back just leaving one warrior there?

        Joint attack is a crime inspite of “there are NO rules in the war” philosophy of yours….Using others shoulders to attack old warrior is NOT….Cutting-off somebody’s hands from behind is NOT….killing a warrior who is neither attacking you nor in a position to defend himself is NOT. Kya MATURITY hai bhai???

        It is you who keep lowering the standard of this blog by polluting KMG and writing all non-sense. Not only writing but even assessing the simple things in totally non-sense and whimsical manner.

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  9. Dear Niraj,

    Your statement-“your karna killing abhimanyu in joint attack point is thoroughly punctured.”

    My ans- Can you show me that Puncture again….. Kindly read this battle again & show me where is the puncture:

    KMG quotes:

    “Hearing these words, Kama, afflicted with the shafts of Arjuna’s son, once more said unto Drona, ‘Exceedingly afflicted with the shafts of Abhimanyu, I am staying in battle, only because (as a warrior) I should stay here. Indeed, the arrows of this youth of great energy are exceedingly fierce. Terrible as they are and possessed of the energy of fire, these arrows are weakening my heart. 1 The preceptor then, slowly and with a smile, said unto Kama, ‘Abhimanyu is young, his prowess is great. His coat of mail is impenetrable. This one’s father had been” taught by me the method of wearing defensive armour. This subjugator of hostile towns assuredly knoweth the entire science (of wearing armour). With shafts well shot, you can, however, cut off his bow, bow-string, the reins of his steeds, the steeds themselves, and two Parshni charioteers. O mighty bowman, O son of Radha, if com- petent, do this. Making him turn back from the fight (by this means), strike him then. With his bow in hand he is incapable of being van- quished by the very gods and the Asuras together. If you wish, DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS CAR, AND DIVEST HIM OF HIS BOW. HEARING THESE WORDS OF THE PRECEPTOR, VIKARTANA’S SON KARNA QUICKLY CUT OFF, BY MEANS OF HIS SHAFTS, THE BOW OF ABHIMANYU, AS THE LATTER WAS SHOOTING WITH GREAT ACTIVITY. HE, OF BHOJA’S RACE (VIZ., KRITAVARMAN) THEN SLEW HIS STEEDS, AND KRIPA SLEW HIS TWO PARSHNI CHARIOTEERS. THE OTHERS COVERED HIM WITH SHOWERS OF ARROWS AFTER HE HAD BEEN DIVESTED OF HIS BOW. THOSE SIX GREAT CAR-WARRIORS, WITH GREAT SPEED, WHEN SPEED WAS SO NECESSARY, RUTHLESSLY COVERED THAT EARLESS YOUTH, FIGHTING SINGLE-HANDED WITH THEM, WITH SHOWERS OF ARROWS. BOWLESS AND EARLESS, WITH AN EYE, HOWEVER, TO HIS DUTY (AS A WARRIOR), HANDSOME ABHIMANYU, TAKING UP A SWORD AND A SHIELD, JUMPED INTO THE SKY.”
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    Here it is clearly written that 6 Kuru Maharathis jointly attacked Abhimanyu to make him carless & weaponless…..

    Karna & Kurus should thank Drona for his timely advice to jointly attack Abhimanyu to make him carless/weaponless, otherwise had Drona been not there then Abhimanyu would have churned Karna & whole kuru army & could have finished the war that day only……

    Look how Karna was pleading to Drona to find a solution for Abhimanyu……

    Your statement-“Real danveer never accepts bheek I don’t know as he in return had promised to help duryodhana.”

    My ans- Yes… & Karna surely lived up to his promise by running away from Gandharva war leaving Duryo in danger, by not participating in MB war for first 10 days & by promising Kunti to not to kill 4 Pandavas…….

    Your statement-“Coming to the fact that its pandavas who were involved in cheating right to the thumb of eklavya to the thigh of duryodhana.”

    My ans- Eklavas’ thumb was cut by Drona & not by Pandavas, so why are you blaming Pandavas here ??

    Duryo’s thigh was broken unintentionally by Bhima…. so no cheating here…. And Bhima killed Duryo in a fair one-on-one war…. And in a war there are no rules…..

    Your statement-“disciples who marry a daughter of a sworn enemy of their guru lie to the guru causing his death and not avenging it later get a kiss on their rosy cheeks.”

    My ans- Meaningless arguement….. Just because Drona was Pandavas’ guru, it doesnt mean that Pandavas would choose a path which will only favour Drona ?? Even Bhishma refused to follow orders of his guru Parshuram to marry Amba & instead he fought with his guru to oppose him……. And when Pandavas married Draupadi, then at that time Drona had already dissolved him enemity with Drupad(as he had already taken revenge)…. hence Drona & Drupad were officially friends, although Drupad had other plans(hidden enemity) but how would Pandavas know about it ??

    Your statement-“Sachin above is your statement. Since you say that rules are for competions not war then why are you accusing Karna of killing abhimanyu unfairly joint attack ( when Karna did not even do that )”

    My ans- I never said that Kurus killing Abhimanyu was against the rule of war but my point was that great warrior would never do such cowardly thing which Karna did….. Look at Drona, he did not attack Abhimanyu in that joint attack….. Had Karna been a great warrior then he would have faced Abhimanyu for a one-on-one fight till death, but he ran away from one-on-one fight & came back for a joint attack…..

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    1. Sachins satementCan you show me that Puncture again….. Kindly read this battle again & show me where is the puncture:
      My answer Sachin here is the puncture in fall of maharathi vrishasena.
      Niraj
      February 20, 2014 at 11:03 pm i

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      Lets visit abhimanyu
      Sanjaya said, ‘Phalguni’s son once more pierced Karna in the car with a barbed arrow, and for angering him still further, he pierced him with fifty other shafts. The son of Radha pierced Abhimanyu in return with as many shafts. Covered all over with arrows, Abhimanyu, then, O sire, looked exceedingly beautiful. Filled with rage, he caused Karna also to be bathed in blood. Mangled with arrows and covered with blood, the brave Karna also shone greatly. 2 Both of them pierced with arrows, both bathed in blood, those illustrious warriors then resembled a couple of flowering Kinsukas. ( here 2 things are sanctioned karna and abhimanyu were in dvandva yudha at this particular battle ie one against one . Karna and abhimanyu both wounded each other )
      Soon after we see parkram of abhimanyu.
      Abhimanyu then slew five warriors., named Satrunjaya, and Chandraketu, and Mahamegba, and] Suvarchas, and Suryabhasa. He then pierced Suvala’s son. The latter piercing Abhimanyu with three arrows, said unto Duryodhana, ‘Let us all together grind this one, else, fighting singly with us he will slay us all. O king, think of the means of slaying this one, taking counsel with Drona and Kripa and others.’ The Karna, the son of Vikartana, said unto Drona, ‘Abhimanyu grindeth us all. Tell us the means by which we may slay him.( Here we see karna making a consultation with drona.) ‘ Thus addressed, the mighty bowman, Drona, addressing them all, said, ‘Observing him with vigilance, have any of you been able to detect any defeat in this youth? With shafts well shot, you can, however, cut off his bow, bow-string, the reins of his steeds, the steeds themselves, and two Parshni charioteers. O mighty bowman, O son of Radha, if competent, do this. Making him turn back from the fight (by this means), strike him then. With his bow in hand he is incapable of being vanquished by the very gods and the Asuras together. If you wish, deprive him of his car, and divest him of his bow.’. Hearing these words of the preceptor, Vikartana’s son Karna quickly cut off, by means of his shafts, the bow of Abhimanyu, as the latter was shooting with great activity. He, of Bhoja’s race (viz., Kritavarman) then slew his steeds, and Kripa slew his two Parshni charioteers. The others covered him with showers of arrows after he had been divested of his bow. Those six great car-warriors, with great speed, when speed was so necessary, ruthlessly covered that carless youth, fighting single-handed with them, with showers of arrows. Bowless and carless, with an eye, however, to his duty (as a warrior), handsome Abhimanyu, taking up a sword and a shield, jumped into the sky. Displaying great strength and great activity,
      ( here abhimanyu had already defeated and infact killed 5 of his opponents. Consultation was made and the karna cut the bow. AFTER THE BOW GOT CUTWHICH KRITAVARMAN KRIPA AND THOSE SIX WARRIORS ARE MENTIONED AND JOINT ATTACK TOOK PLACE. AT THE TIME KARNA CUT THE BOW IT WAS NOT A JOINT ATTACK )
      Its arjuna who cut bheeshmas bow unfairly and bhurishravas arm from behind. Bhima the scumbag of a warrior who hit duryodhana a foul blow proving what a worthless clown he was. End quote

      Sachins statement.Look how Karna was pleading to Drona to find a solution for Abhimanyu
      My answere There are so many ocassions of Arjuna pleading like a begger in front of krishna consultations are made so what.
      Sachins satement Yes… & Karna surely lived up to his promise by running away from Gandharva war leaving Duryo in danger, by not participating in MB war for first 10 days & by promising Kunti to not to kill 4 Pandavas…….
      My ans. Arjuna was a ghughuprasad incarnate during dacoit attack standing like a stooge. And did not even have the courtesy and commonsense and courtesy to send a rescue party for the helping those yadava ladies.
      Sachins – Eklavas’ thumb was cut by Drona & not by Pandavas, so why are you blaming Pandavas here ??
      My ans Sachin that’s a balatant lie. Arjuna went crying like a skunk to drona and when drona did his horrible deed arjunas eye balls were popping up with delight.

      Sachins statement Duryo’s thigh was broken unintentionally by Bhima…. so no cheating here…. And Bhima killed Duryo in a fair one-on-one war…. And in a war there are no rules…..
      My ans that’s another lie heaped by you. Its accepted in KMG that it was a foul blow.
      Sachins s- Meaningless arguement….. Just because Drona was Pandavas’ guru, it doesnt mean that Pandavas would choose a path which will only favour Drona ?? Even Bhishma refused to follow orders of his guru Parshuram to marry Amba & instead he fought with his guru to oppose him……. And when Pandavas married Draupadi, then at that time Drona had already dissolved him enemity with Drupad(as he had already taken revenge)…. hence Drona & Drupad were officially friends, although Drupad had other plans(hidden enemity) but how would Pandavas know about it ??
      My ans. Meaningless example. Bheeshma was honour bound as he had pledged to his father not to marry. Hence father over guru. Pandavas had not taken any such pledge to marry draupadi. And standing like stooges when they saw their gurus killer speaks volumes of that its they who were the wretches.

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      1. pandavas had unintentionally burnt up a nishadha woman and her innocent children during lakshagrah. Cant blame them for that but these custodians of dharma did not have the courtesy to own to their culpable homicide not amounting to murder and mamla goli kar diya salman khan ki tarah.
        KMG duryodhanas death. “ That ever wrathful monarch and great car-warrior then careering with great skill, struck Bhimasena who was standing before him. At this, the son of Pandu, with weakened limbs, fell down on the earth.”Having by his energy prostrated Bhimasena on the ground, the Kuru prince uttered a leonine roar. By the descent of his mace, whose violence resembled that of the thunder, he had fractured Bhima’s coat of mail. A loud uproar was then heard in the welkin, made by the denizens of heaven and the Apsaras. A floral shower, emitting great fragrance, fell, rained by the celestials. Beholding Bhima prostrated on the earth and weakened in strength, and seeing his coat of mail laid open, a great fear entered the hearts of our foes. Recovering his senses in a moment, and wiping his face which had been dyed with blood, and mustering great patience, Vrikodara stood up, with rolling eyes steadying himself with great effort.”
        ‘Beholding that fight thus raging between those two foremost heroes of Kuru’s race, Arjuna said unto Vasudeva, “Between these two, who, in thy opinion, is superior? Who amongst them hath what merit? Tell me this, O Janardana.” ‘Vasudeva said, “The instruction received by them hath been equal. Bhima, however, is possessed of greater might, while the son of Dhritarashtra is possessed of greater skill and hath laboured more. If he were to fight fairly, Bhimasena will never succeed in winning the victory. If, however, he fights unfairly he will be surely able to slay Duryodhana Therefore, let Bhimasena put forth his prowess, aided by deception! At the time of the gambling, O Dhananjaya, Bhima vowed to break the thighs of Suyodhana with his mace in battle. Let this crusher of foes, therefore, accomplish that vow of his. Let him with deception, slay the Kuru king who is full of deception. If Bhima, depending upon his might alone, were to fight fairly, king Yudhishthira will have to incur great danger.Dhananjaya struck his own left thigh before the eyes of Bhimasena. Understanding that sign, Bhima began to career with his uplifted mace
        Sachin, Here Arjuna gives the hint and bhima now knows the plan of action or rather ,foul action

        . Rushing at each other in that encounter, those two heroes, possessed of eyes like those of bulls and endued with great activity, struck each other fiercely like two buffaloes in the mire..Having warded off that blow, thy son, that foremost one of Kuru’s race, quickly struck Bhimasena with his weapon. In consequence of the large quantity of blood drawn by that blow, as also owing to the violence itself of the blow, Bhimasena of immeasurable energy seemed to be stupefied. Duryodhana, however, knew not that the son of Pandu was so afflicted at that moment. Though deeply afflicted, Bhima sustained himself, summoning all his patience. Duryodhana, therefore, regarded him to be unmoved and ready to return the blow. It was for this that thy son did not then strike him again. Having rested for a little while, the valiant Bhimasena rushed furiously, O king, at Duryodhana who was standing near. Beholding Bhimasena of immeasurable energy filled with rage and rushing towards him, thy high-souled son, O bull of Bharata’s race, desiring to baffle his blow, set his heart on the manoeuvre called Avasthana. He, therefore, desired to jump upwards, O monarch, for beguiling Vrikodara. Bhimasena fully understood the intentions of his adversary. Rushing, therefore, at him, with a loud leonine roar, he fiercely hurled his mace at the thighs of the Kuru king as the latter had jumped up for baffling the first aim.
        Sachins please observer The foul blow was intentional.

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  10. Karna’s Character :

    A lot has been said about the greatness of Karna in this Blog…both as a warrior & as a person…

    But I will give you the real character of Karna on the basis of Ved Vyas MB…..(Kindly note the following thoughts are not my own…but are from Ved Vyas MB)

    1. Karna’s “Daanveerta”

    A lot has been said about Karna’s “Daanveerta” in MB, but nobody noticed that Karna himself received the “Daan” of Angadesh from Duryodhana…..A real Daanveer would never have accepted such ‘Bheekh'(Beggery).

    Karna gave his “Kavach-Kundal” to Indra as ‘Daan’….but nobody noticed that he himself then asked for the ‘Daan’ of ‘Shakti-astra’ from Indra…..
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    2. Karna was a liar:
    Karna received all the war education from Parshuram, by telling a lie that he was a Brahmin….but actually he was a ‘Suta'(By Karna’s own knowledge at that time)….hence he cheated his own guru Parshuram….It proves Karna was a cheater….
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    3. Karna was a Wretch :
    Karna was equally involved in planning the ‘Laksha-gruh'(House of Lac) Killing of Pandavas….. Now what kind of greatness is there in burning your opponents by such devil means…..
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    4. Karna was an “Ehsaan-faramosh” friend :
    After being defeated by Gandharvas, Karna ran away to save his own life, leaving Duryodhan alone to die…..Now is it called the real friendship ?????

    Karna refused to participate in MB war under Bhishma’s commandership, due to his ego problems…. This shows that Karna was more concerned about his ego than for Duryo’s friedship & loyalty…..

    Karna’s only aim was to prove himself as the Greatest Archer & better than Arjun…… & Karna had nothing to do with the Duryodhan’s cause & so he ran away on many occasions leaving Durodhan helpless, to save his own life….e.g. In Viraat yudh, Jaydrath wadh etc.

    Also, if Karna cared about Duryodhana’s victory then he would not have promised Kunti that he would spare the life of 4 Pandavas(except Arjun)….because without killing all Pandavas.. victory would never been achieved by Duryodhana……

    Now, some people might say that Karna was a caring elder brother, that is why he promised Kunti….then why didnt he cared about Arjun’s life…??

    Karna could have returned his Angadesh to Duryodhan & refused to fight to save all 5 Pandavas…..but he didnt do it because he didnt want to miss the chance of proving himself better than Arjun…..

    This proves Karna was neither a caring elder brother…..
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    5. Karna never respected his elders:
    Karna never gave due respect to great peoples like Bhishma, Drona, Kripacharya etc…..
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    6. Karna was a “Apne Muh miya Mitthoo” (Self boastfull)
    Karna always used to boast about himself & his Greatness….But he always used to runaway in crunch situations……..That is why Karna has been scolded many times by Bhishma, Krip, Ashwatthama etc….
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    7. Karna insulted a helpless women-Draupadi at the Dyuta…….. What kind of a gentleman the Great Karna was??
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    8. Karna killed Abhimanyu in a joint attack with 7 other Maharathis….
    Now, a great warrior who has confidence in his own ability, would never have done such thing….. instead he should have condemed such thing…..e.g. Arjun was never in favour of Yudhishthira telling the lie regarding Ashwatthama’s Death……& When Dristdyumna killed Drona…. Arjun was the first one to condemn it…..
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    9. Karna’s Bravery:
    Karna ran away a number of times from many fights after been defeated, to save his life…..
    It is a shame for a warrior to fly away to save his life……A Great warrior would have accepted his death instead of running away…..
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    Now, looking at all the above examples, it is clear that Karna was neither a Great warrior nor a Good human being……

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    1. Dear Sachin your karna killing abhimanyu in joint attack point is thoroughly punctured. About your other points nothing new has been posted by you. They have been discussed. Bheeshma had scolded him and later praised him. Ashwatthama scolded him and then he had a lot of venom against the pandavas. Danveerta he was in charge of the charity section at rajsuya yagna. Real danveer never accepts bheek I don’t know as he in return had promised to help duryodhana. Coming to the fact that its pandavas who were involved in cheating right to the thumb of eklavya to the thigh of duryodhana. Bhima also insulted gandhari and dhirtharashtra after the war in a rather un gentlemanly behavior. There is also recorded conversation between Karna and krishna and karna predicting his own death at the hands of arjuna hence this really nullifies your accusation. Liar award should go to yudhi who lied to his guru. Pandavas were silent lambs and did not chasitize drishtadyumna atleast satyaki had more guts than them. And why pandavas should do that. Zamaane ki khidayi ek taraf joru ka bhai ek taraf. Its surprising that intelligent people criticize a man who lied to gain knowledge from a guru and bore pain so that his gurus sleep does not get disturbed and disciples who marry a daughter of a sworn enemy of their guru lie to the guru causing his death and not avenging it later get a kiss on their rosy cheeks.

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      1. Dear Sachin please find your post November 2012.
        Sachin
        November 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm
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        Dear Subrahmanyam,
        Regarding Duryodhan’s fighting skills,
        Nowhere in Vyas MB the example of Duryodhan’s Bravery or his brilliance is mentioned, except his briliance in his last mace fight with Bhima……So it is clear that Duryodhan’s fighting skills has been glorified at the time of his death only…..like many other warriors…..
        Duryodhan was inferior to Bhima in pure strength……
        Duryodhan didnt defeat any warrior in Kurukshetra war…..He avoided Bhima many times & instead sent his brothers to fight Bhima…….And Bhima killed his brothers in front of Duryodhan’s eye, but Duryodhan didnt come to protect his brothers……
        Hence it is clear that Duryodhan was nowhere in the catogery of even Nakul or Sahadev…..
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        Regarding your query- “Is it just thighs of Duryodhana that Bhima broke?? It could be something else.”
        My answer-
        It was just the thigh of Duryodhana that Bhima broke…..& nothing else……
        According to mace rules, striking below the waist was prohibited, because a warrior used to wear protective armour & Crown only to protect his upper body & his body below waist was unprotected….
        Hence, a blow of mace in upper body would not harm the warrior much……but the same blow below waist will break his bones……& the same happened with Duryodhan’s thigh……
        Also note that as MB book states, Bhima did not intentionaly strike Duryodhan’s thigh…..but when Bhima was hitting Duryodhan’s upper body then Duryodhan jumped & so accidently Bhima’s mace hit his thigh……
        Also, as it is said- “Everything is fair in love & war”…..So i think many warriors who had fought with mace in 18 days of kurikshetra war, would also have hit their opponents below waist as well…..but these examples would have been ignored……& the Duryodhan’s example is advertised to spice up the story……
        Rules are for Competitions & not for war…..
        Sachin above is your statement. Since you say that rules are for competions not war then why are you accusing Karna of killing abhimanyu unfairly joint attack ( when Karna did not even do that )

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    2. Sachin was missing regular bashing of his opinions on MB……so here comes back the man jiska “Yeh Dil Maange More” after caught talking blatant lies (and blaming it on MB) by me …..

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  11. Dear Friends,

    On 14th day, Arjun made such a mockery of whole Kuru army, that whole Kuru army’s capabilties were put to shame….. Kurus suffered heaviest damage on 14th day….

    Arjun defeated almost whole Kuru army alone & he broke the Kamal-vhiew of Drona alone & putting a shame to Drona/Duryo & whole Kuru army with this performance……

    Look how Duryodhan(who never praised Pandavas) summerised the whole 14th day war & showed the true capabilties of Arjun & his own Kuru warriors in this statement, at the end of Day 14:

    Drona Parva, Page-335

    “And he came to think no warrior existed on the earth that could be compared with Arjuna. Neither Drona, nor the son of Radha, nor Aswatthaman, nor Kripa, O sire, is competent to stand before Arjuna when the latter is excited with wrath. And Suyodhana, said unto himself, ‘Having vanquished in battle all the mighty car-warriors of my army, Partha slew the ruler of the Sindhus. None could resist him. This my vast host hath almost been exterminated by the Pandavas. I think, there is no one that can protect my army, no, not even Purandara himself. He, relying upon whom I have been engaged in this passage-at-arms in battle, alas, that Karna hath been defeated in battle and Jayadratha slain. That Kama relying upon whose energy I regarded Krishna as straw who came to sue me for peace, alas, that Karna hath been van- quished in battle.’ Grieving so within his heart, that offender against the whole world, O king, went to Drona, O bull of Bharata’s race, for seeing him.”
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    P.S.: Take note about the defeat & thrashing of Karna on 14th day about which Duryo was talking, otherwise on previous occasions, Duryo always used to ignore the defeats of Karna…..

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  12. Dear Sanjay bhai,

    Your statement-“And by second time Ved Vyas and KMG realised ooppsss! It was a conch so let us mention that to avoid comedy of errors i.e. Sachin will be embarrassed. So they mentioned “AND ONCE MORE, taking up with both his hands that LARGE CONCH of loud blare” and Mr. Arjun concluded the “fake war” by collecting clothes for princess. You say that war started with Personal conch and in between a celestial weapon was used TWICE since it went phuuusssss in the first instance. Then the same ineffective celestial weapon was blown again instead of personal conch and this time it worked to everybody’s surprise. And then you plead that Conch was celestial Sanmohan weapon and Virat war is REAL…..”

    My ans- Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….

    Lo kar lo baat….. Ab Sanjay bhai, Vyas aur KMG ke peeche pad gaye….. Sanjay Bhai, if you have so much problem with VYas then why are you reading the MB written by Vyas ?? You should forget about the fact that a war called Mb ever happened & you should not post about MB in this blog…..

    Chalo Vyas ki baat to samajh mein aatin hai, lekin bechare KMG ne aapka kya bigaada hai ??… Oh I forgot, KMG did the crime of translating Vyas MB as it is, without hiding the failures/defeats of Karna/Bhishma/Krishna etc….. Sorry, my mistake…. You have all the reason to be furious over KMG as well for doing such a heinous crime….. Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha….Ha…ha…ha..

    Actually this is Vyas & KMG’s mistake because of which you have been forced to become Shameless to defend the failures of Karna/Bhishma/Krishna by giving Shameless EXCUSES…… My full sympathies for you…..

    Your statement-“Actually the problem is not with the kid but MATURE mother. If mother herself cannot bring moon to her son to confirm its size then what is the point in talking about its size in the first place?”

    My ans- You are right Sanjay bhai…. Actually it was the fault of the Scientists who proved the size of Moon from a distance without bringing the Moon to earth to show it to that kid(i.e.you)….. Similalry, Vyas made a mistake by writing about the example of simple Science i.e. Sammohan weapon in MB, because even though every person in this world with some knowledge of science can understand this simple science example, but Vyas should have made some special arrangements for a weak science student like Sanjay, so that Sanjay could also understand it as well……. Sorry Sanjay bhai…. I apologise to you on behalf of Vyas….. Ha…ha…ha…Ha…ha…ha…

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    1. Isey kehate hain khisyani billi khamba noche….

      I was sympathizing with Ved Vyas and KMG that they had been made jokers with your kind of understanding and interpretation of MB where in a sentence like “And warding off with weapons, all the weapons of those bulls among the Kurus, the wielder of the Gandiva who was capable of enduring all foes, evolved another irresistible weapon obtained from Indra, called Sanmohana” you discovered “INEFFECTIVE CONCH BLOWING”……

      Instead of giving certificates and lecture on my understanding you should have used your energy to feel ASHAMED that you have been caught NOT ONCE but UMPTEEN times manipulating facts from MB.

      At least the simple science example should not go phuuusssss in the first attempt and become potent in the second attempt after an interval of KICK-START….Kudos to such science and its followers!

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        1. Sahi kaha…..itna nochne khasotne ke baad bhi kuchch bhi prove nahin kar paya ‘ek bechara scientific COMMON SENSE ka maara’! Jhoota saabit hooa so alag……HA….HA……HA…..HA…..HA…….HA……HA……HA……HA……HA…….HA…..AH……HA…….HA……….HA

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  13. Dear Sanjay bhai,

    Your statement-“Bhai when did I say that Arjun or others never had their personal conches? Recall my statement (19th June 2014, 8:04 am) – “Then everybody had this WEAPON (conch) and nobody knew how to blow it, great??””

    My ans- Very funny Sanjay bhai…. You yourself proved in this statement about your immature claims…. Here you have converted the personalised Coonchs of every warrior into a WEAPON & then you asked me why couldnt every other warrior used their Personalised Coonches as “Sammohan weapon” ….. ?? Ha…ha….ha…ha…. God save me from this immature argument….. I believe you are quiet close to acquiring a Title of “Immature Blogger” of this blog…..

    Your statement-“Please prove this from your favourite KMG…I need to see this passage of yours.”

    My ans- Ok Sanjay bhai….This is for your immature Understanding, let me teach you the ABCD of KMG…..

    KMG quotes:

    1st incidence:
    “And warding off with weapons, all the weapons of those bulls among the Kurus, the wielder of the Gandiva who was capable of enduring all foes, evolved another irresistible weapon obtained from Indra, called Sanmohana.”
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    2nd incidence:
    “And once more, taking up with both his hands that large conch of loud blare, Partha, that slayer of foes, blew it with force and filled the cardinal and other points, the whole earth, and sky, with that noise. AND THOSE FOREMOST OF THE KURU HEROES WERE ALL DEPRIVED OF THEIR SENSES BY THE SOUND OF THAT CONCH BLOWN BY PARTHA. And all of them stood still, their bows, from which they were never separated, dropping down from their hands.”
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    Happy Sanjay bhai… or you need one more revision ??

    And looking at your immature understandings, i remembered one example: A 3 year old boy looked up the sky & saw the Moon & asked his mother what it is…. Mother replied-“It is the moon & it is very big”….. Son said-“Mom, i cant agree to what you are saying, because the Moon is looking very small to me from here, only of a size of a foot ball, so Mom, if you want to prove that the Moon is very big then bring the Moon to me, so that i can look at its size closely, till then i wont belive what you are saying”….. Then Mom put her hand on her forehead & said to her son-“Son you will understand this, only when you grow up”……. I believe i am in the same situation as that of the Mom…. because Sanjay is behaving like that Son…. Ha…ha…ha….

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    1. Dear Sachin bhai,

      My statement-”Bhai when did I say that Arjun or others never had their personal conches? Recall my statement (19th June 2014, 8:04 am) – “Then everybody had this WEAPON (conch) and nobody knew how to blow it, great??””

      Your ans- Very funny Sanjay bhai…. You yourself proved in this statement about your immature claims…. Here you have converted the personalised Coonchs of every warrior into a WEAPON & then you asked me why couldnt every other warrior used their Personalised Coonches as “Sammohan weapon” ….. ?? Ha…ha….ha…ha…. God save me from this immature argument….. I believe you are quiet close to acquiring a Title of “Immature Blogger” of this blog…..

      My reply – My expression was IF “CONCH” WAS A WEAPON AS SAID BY YOU THEN EVERYBODY ELSE HAD THAT “WEAPON” STILL THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO BLOW IT TO PRODUCE HIGH-FREQUENCY SOUNDS. I do not know where your intelligence keeps taking you.
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      My statement-”Please prove this from your favourite KMG…I need to see this passage of yours.”

      Your ans- Ok Sanjay bhai….This is for your immature Understanding, let me teach you the ABCD of KMG…..
      KMG quotes:
      1st incidence:
      “And warding off with weapons, all the weapons of those bulls among the Kurus, the wielder of the Gandiva who was capable of enduring all foes, evolved another irresistible weapon obtained from Indra, called Sanmohana.”
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      2nd incidence:
      “And once more, taking up with both his hands that large conch of loud blare, Partha, that slayer of foes, blew it with force and filled the cardinal and other points, the whole earth, and sky, with that noise. AND THOSE FOREMOST OF THE KURU HEROES WERE ALL DEPRIVED OF THEIR SENSES BY THE SOUND OF THAT CONCH BLOWN BY PARTHA. And all of them stood still, their bows, from which they were never separated, dropping down from their hands.”
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      Happy Sanjay bhai… or you need one more revision ??

      My reply – If it is called BLOWING OF CONCH (in the first instance) then I am Barrack Obama who wants PEACE in the world….You are confirming this weapon produced NO EFFECT when blown in the first instance??

      And then Arjun had to KICK-START it by “entirely covering the cardinal and other directions with sharp and keen-edged arrows furnished with beautiful feathers, that mighty hero STUPEFIED THEIR SENSES WITH THE TWANG OF THE GANDIVA”. Still he could only EXHAUST the Kurus (glorifying statement uhuh???) but could not make them senseless (purpose defeated)

      And by second time Ved Vyas and KMG realised ooppsss! It was a conch so let us mention that to avoid comedy of errors i.e. Sachin will be embarrassed. So they mentioned “AND ONCE MORE, taking up with both his hands that LARGE CONCH of loud blare” and Mr. Arjun concluded the “fake war” by collecting clothes for princess.
      You say that war started with Personal conch and in between a celestial weapon was used TWICE since it went phuuusssss in the first instance. Then the same ineffective celestial weapon was blown again instead of personal conch and this time it worked to everybody’s surprise. And then you plead that Conch was celestial Sanmohan weapon and Virat war is REAL…..

      Arre bhai what are you saying and posting? Ek baar padh to liya karo!
      Your post is a Shameless fabrication and manipulation of what is written in your favourite KMG.
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      Your statement – “And looking at your immature understandings, i remembered one example: A 3 year old boy looked up the sky & saw the Moon & asked his mother what it is…. Mother replied-”It is the moon & it is very big”….. Son said-”Mom, i cant agree to what you are saying, because the Moon is looking very small to me from here, only of a size of a foot ball, so Mom, if you want to prove that the Moon is very big then bring the Moon to me, so that i can look at its size closely, till then i wont belive what you are saying”….. Then Mom put her hand on her forehead & said to her son-”Son you will understand this, only when you grow up”……. I believe i am in the same situation as that of the Mom…. because Sanjay is behaving like that Son…. Ha…ha…ha…. “

      My reply – Actually the problem is not with the kid but MATURE mother. If mother herself cannot bring moon to her son to confirm its size then what is the point in talking about its size in the first place? A more MATURE mother should have talked about what she could prove……..So stop behaving like Badboli mother and admire moon’s beauty instead since you are worth that only……Ha…ha…..ha……haa…….HAAAAAAAAAAAAA….

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  14. Dear Sanjay bhai,

    Just like the best of teacher cannot make a Class 4th Student to understand the Maths of CLass 10th, similarly, it is vitually immpossible to explain you an event of MB which invloves simple science….. So you may ignorantly interprete whatever you want to because your ignorance wont change the facts of MB…..

    For your ignorant understanding, let me tell you few basic fats about a war: The opponent warriors used to symbolically blow their “personalised Coonches”, so as to issue a challenge for a fight to the opponent & to start a war….. Now these “personalised Coonches” were the exclusive possessions of a warrior e.g. Arjun’s Devdaatt Coonch, Krishna’s Panchjanya coonch etc… These “personalised Coonches” were nothing but INDENTITY of a warrior, as each “personalised Coonche” used to emit typically different sound with which that warrior used to be identified in a vast battlefield by other warriors…… That is why Kurus identified Arjun from his “personalised Devdatt Coonch” only…….

    And Arjun blew his “personalised Devdatt Coonch” at the start of the war only to issue a challenge to the kuru army & to declare his identity….. Although the author has glorified the sound of this “personalised Devdatt Coonch”, because it created fear in the hearts of Kurus, as they identified Arjun at Viraat border…..

    Similarly, after the end of the Viraat war, Arjun agian blew his “personalised Devdatt Coonch”, so as to declare his victory & to signify the end of the war…..

    Now dear Sanjay, offcourse, you dont know these basic facts about a war proceedings, but still you have the habit of CREATING your won conclusions without knowing the basics…. Just like a Class 4th student, trying to argue with a Class 10th student on a class 10th Maths…..

    And as per KMG, Arjun blew the Sammohan Coonch twice in succession to stupify everyone(except Bhishma)……

    If this is how you gonna derive conclusions from Vyas MB, then dear Sanjay, i think i made a mistake to advice you to read MB, because you may ultimately interprete a Ramayan out of MB story…. Ha…ha…ha…ha…. So you better limit your knowledge to TV serial only because TV serial are much easier for you ignorant UNDERSTANDING to understand the MB…..

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    1. Sachin mere bhai,

      If somebody asks you to “frame sentence properly” you start taking classes on A,B,C…thinking that others do not know ENGLISH …….hallucination? 11 out of 1 and 1? Lost in your own world??? I cann’t even decide now.

      Bhai when did I say that Arjun or others never had their personal conches? Recall my statement (19th June 2014, 8:04 am) – “Then everybody had this WEAPON (conch) and nobody knew how to blow it, great??” Then you blame me of talking 4th class maths…….Funny friend of mine! Or do you want to justify the title of “Comedian” bestowed upon you by our common friend Smarty?

      Your statement – “Similarly, after the end of the Viraat war, Arjun agian blew his “personalised Devdatt Coonch”, so as to declare his victory & to signify the end of the war…..”

      My answer – WHEN DID I SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I also said that it was HIS Conch. You were the one who has been saying WEAPON CONCH was blown….

      Your statement – “And as per KMG, Arjun blew the Sammohan Coonch TWICE in succession to stupify everyone(except Bhishma)……”

      My answer – Please prove this from your favourite KMG…I need to see this passage of yours. It is funny and interesting to know that as per YOUR copy of KMG Karna ran away TWICE from Virat war and Arjun also blew Sanmohan conch TWICE in Virat war. I hope you do not have TWO Virat wars in YOUR copy of KMG!!!! Or is that your obsession with your favourite KMG producing MULTIPLE (at least TWO) copies of everything whichever fancies your hallucination???

      Actually my suspicion is correct – there is one MB and then there is second SMB (Sachin’s MB) with you. This is why you always talk something which is totally against MB……hahahahahahahaha.

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  15. Dear Sanjay,

    Your statement-“This is the height of super understanding….Conch was a WEAPON?? Then everybody had this WEAPON and nobody knew how to blow it, great?”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… This is the height of rubbishness…. Sammohan Coonch was a weapon & not other regular Coonches like Devdatta or Panchjanyas etc….. You UNDERSTANDING has gone from bad to worse Sanajay bhai….. Other than Arjun, nobody else had the Sammohan weapon at Viraat war….. And you being a weak sciene student, wont understand that any thing which produces sound, does not produce the stupifying effect on the listener but only a specialised weapon/instrument can produce those frequencies which can stupify the listener…… And Sammohan weapon was that weapon(& not the ordinary Coonchs)…….

    Buddy, if this is how you are going to interprete Vyas MB, then i am worried that you may ultimately interprete MB as Ramayan….. Ha…ha…ha…

    Your statement-“What about TWANG OF GANDIVA which STUPIFIED THE SENSES?? Was that also Sanmohan WEAPON???”

    My ans- I know it is hard for your UNDERSTANDING to rightly get the meaning of this sentence, but i will still try to do the immpossible i.e. to make you understand…..

    KMG quotes:
    “And entirely covering the cardinal and other directions with sharp and keen-edged arrows furnished with beautiful feathers, that mighty hero STUPEFIED THEIR SENSES WITH THE TWANG OF THE GANDIVA.”
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    By this glorifying statement, author meant that Arjun’s arrowy showers coming out of Gandiva thrashed the whole kuru army & made them Exhausted……

    Your statement-“As per your super understanding, this (conch) was also Sanmohan WEAPON which Arjun blew at the starting of Virat war? Hey but nobody went sleeping…..why? I told you, you are not reading your favourite KMG seriously. Kudos to your reading Man!! Forget your UNDERSTANDING as of now…”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Childish conclusion…..

    Your statement-“Did Uttar also counter that effect when this WEAPON of yours was being BLOWN (not fired) right over his head? Just to refresh your memory we were discussing your statement “Sanmohan did not kill any maharathi””

    My ans- Simple answer…. If Arjun had learnt how to use Sammohan weapon, so he must have also learnt how to counter it & also how to save his charioteer from its effect….. Because only a stupid warrior would make his own charioteer unconcious by using Sammohan weapon in a battlefield….. So, arjun might have told Uttar the secret of countering its effect before firing it(like covering the ears with his hands etc)…..

    Your statement-“Who are these “Those”? I UNDERSTAND all those people who were in their SENSES meaning apart from Bhishma there were others also who were in their senses”

    My ans- Childish interpretation again…. fact from Vyas MB is that whole Kuru army was unconcious except Bhishma… And Arjun was just giving a piece of advice to Uttar that if an opponent is concious in battlefield in ANY war, then he should not attempt to approach such concious warrior…. Here Arjun was talking about the generalised situation of a war & not specifically Viraat war…..

    Your statement-“you may claim they also knew how to counter THIS WEAPON but even Drona DID NOT know how to counter THIS WEAPON which is not fired but blown??? As per your favourite KMG Bhishma never met Indra, still he had the knowledge to counter his weapon (as per your understanding)? Drona taught Arjun but he also did not know how to counter the blare of a Conch oh! Sorry, WEAPON….”

    My ans- Zzzzzzzzz……. Same funny conclusions….. Arjun got the Sammohan weapon from Indra, so how can you compulsorily expect Drona to have the knowledge about it ?? And Bhishma might have learnt to counter Sammohan from any of his teachers viz. Parshuram, Brihaspati etc…..

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    1. Sachin mere bhai!

      Your hallucinated UNDERSTANDING is confirming –

      o Author of MB Ved Vyas or KMG did not know how to say what you are saying or understood.

      o Henceforth by “TWANG OF GANDIVA” we should UNDERSTAND “thrashing” (not its sound) and by “STUPIDEFYING” we should UNDERSTAND “Exhausted” (not senseless)

      o Sanmohan WEAPON was Sanmohan COONCH which Ved Vyas or KMG forgot to mention but told only you to enlighten us.

      o Arjun was carrying two conches – Devdutt conch and WEAPON conch. WEAPON conch was hired only for Virat war but was returned back by Kurukshetra war (since Arjun ran out of money to pay its rent owing to their exile).

      o “Arjuna powerfully blew that BEST OF CONCHS CALLED DEVADATTA, OF LOUD BLARE. And blown on the field of battle by the mighty Jishnu, the BLARE OF THAT CONCH was heard like the SPLITTING OF A MOUNTAIN” could not produce those high level sound frequencies but “And once more, taking up with both his hands that LARGE CONCH OF LOUD BLARE, Partha, that slayer of foes, blew it with force and filled the cardinal and other points, the whole earth, and sky, with that noise” made everybody SENSELESS.

      o Arjun informed Uttar before BLOWING HIS WEAPON to close his ears / start countering (though not mentioned in your favourite KMG). Either Bhishma also heard that and closed his ears or Arjun did match fixing with him by giving some indication. And Voila! nobody else had that capability to even close their ears inspite of seeing that WEAPON COONCH was in action (blown).

      o As per your favourite KMG Arjun blew conch in beginning of the war BUT that should be considered as CHILDISH CONCLUSION.

      o Arjun told Uttar the secret of countering weapon but forgot to teach that if conscious people left after ANY war (where Sanmohan weapon is used) then they should be avoided. This piece of advice was left only for grand climax of Virat war.

      o Sanmohan COONCH (WEAPON) was something very interesting. Indra gave it to Arjun who used it once in a lifetime by carrying it along with Devdutt conch (since it was on small time rent).Bhishma knew how to counter it since Parasurama or Brihaspati MIGHT have taught him but Parasurama FORGOT to teach the same to Drona. Arjun EARNED this WEAPON and its knowledge which he simply whispered in Uttar’s ears though partial i.e. only how to counter.

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      Some food for your thought and UNDERSTANDING if it is still somewhere there –

      “AND ONCE MORE, taking up with both his hands that large conch of loud blare, partha, that slayer of foes, blew it with force and filled the cardinal and other points, the whole earth, and sky, with that noise”

      AND ONCE MORE?? Was this COONCH WEAPON blown earlier also? As per your favourite KMG it was Devdutta conch which was blown in the beginning of war. Interestingly the war also ended with blowing Conch!

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  16. BHISHMA PARVA, JAMVU-KHANDA

    In this section Ved Vyas visits Dhritrashtra and grants vision power to Sanjaya to witness Kurukshetra war. Post his leaving Sanjaya describes various islands, land masses, mountains, rivers and their respective inhabitants. The description does not seem to be of our planet. It also talks of four yugas, lifespan, physical characteristics of inhabitants and other inconceivable beings. It also talks of shape of these islands and geographical features which are nowhere similar to what we have seen on earth.

    What this could be?

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  17. Dear Sanjay,

    Your statement-“Where does it say that Sanmohana WEAPON made Kurus senseless? It clearly says TWANG OF GANDIVA and BLOWING OF CONCH made them senseless. You have not read your favourite KMG seriously.”

    My ans- As i have said many times previously, you have the habit of interpreting it as NIGHT when you see the SUN in the sky…. Similarly here, the author is clearly mentioning that Sammohan weapon was nothing but a COONCH, which was blown by Arjun to produce loud noise which made the kurus lose senses…… And you interpreted this simple event as Arjun stupified the kurus with his regular “Devdatt Coonch” ?????? Kudos to your UNDERSTANDING Man…..!!

    Your statement-“Both the sounds were also heard by Arjun, Uttar and Bhishma along with others who became senseless. Arjun and Uttar might have been ready to deal with it since they used it but what about Bhishma?”

    My ans- Bhishma knew how to counteract the effects of Sammohan weapon….. So what’s the big deal ?? Nothing supernatural in it ….

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    1. Dear Sachin,

      My statement-”Where does it say that Sanmohana WEAPON made Kurus senseless? It clearly says TWANG OF GANDIVA and BLOWING OF CONCH made them senseless. You have not read your favourite KMG seriously.”

      your ans- As i have said many times previously, you have the habit of interpreting it as NIGHT when you see the SUN in the sky…. Similarly here, the author is clearly mentioning that Sammohan weapon was nothing but a COONCH, which was blown by Arjun to produce loud noise which made the kurus lose senses…… And you interpreted this simple event as Arjun stupified the kurus with his regular “Devdatt Coonch” ?????? Kudos to your UNDERSTANDING Man…..!!

      My reply – HaHaHaHaHaHaHa……….This is the height of super understanding….Conch was a WEAPON?? Then everybody had this WEAPON and nobody knew how to blow it, great? What about TWANG OF GANDIVA which STUPIFIED THE SENSES?? Was that also Sanmohan WEAPON???

      Virat War, section LVII,
      “Then announcing his own name, Arjuna powerfully blew that BEST OF CONCHS CALLED DEVADATTA, OF LOUD BLARE. And blown on the field of battle by the mighty Jishnu, the BLARE OF THAT CONCH was heard like the splitting of a mountain. And seeing that the conch did not break into a hundred fragments when blown by Arjuna, the Kurus with all their warriors began to applaud it highly.”

      As per your super understanding, this (conch) was also Sanmohan WEAPON which Arjun blew at the starting of Virat war? Hey but nobody went sleeping…..why? I told you, you are not reading your favourite KMG seriously. Kudos to your reading Man!! Forget your UNDERSTANDING as of now…
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      My statement-”Both the sounds were also heard by Arjun, Uttar and Bhishma along with others who became senseless. Arjun and Uttar might have been ready to deal with it since they used it but what about Bhishma?”

      your ans- Bhishma knew how to counteract the effects of Sammohan weapon….. So what’s the big deal ?? Nothing supernatural in it ….

      My reply – Did Uttar also counter that effect when this WEAPON of yours was being BLOWN (not fired) right over his head? Just to refresh your memory we were discussing your statement “Sanmohan did not kill any maharathi” and not “supernatural” Buddy!

      Virat war, section LXV

      “Methinks, Bhishma is not stupefied, for he knoweth how to counteract this WEAPON of mine. So, pass thou on, keeping his steeds to thy left; for THOSE that are sensible should thus be avoided.”

      Who are these “Those”? I UNDERSTAND all those people who were in their SENSES meaning apart from Bhishma there were others also who were in their senses….you may claim they also knew how to counter THIS WEAPON but even Drona DID NOT know how to counter THIS WEAPON which is not fired but blown??? As per your favourite KMG Bhishma never met Indra, still he had the knowledge to counter his weapon (as per your understanding)? Drona taught Arjun but he also did not know how to counter the blare of a Conch oh! Sorry, WEAPON….

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  18. Dear Sanjay my village friend,

    Your statement-“Bhima did not DODGE but stood silently in front of Narayanastra like a good boy saving not only his but lives of other Pandavas maharathis also.”

    My ans- Oh i forgot… Bhima didnt even dodge Narayanastra…. So how does it prove that Narayanastra had capabilities to kill a Maharathi ?? This only shows that Narayanastra wasnt even capable to kill Non-dodging Maharathis…. Ha…ha….ha… You have caught your own tongue here Sanjay bhai…..

    Your statement-“You are confused BIG TIME. I said a weapon is a weapon and is made to kill but it is the use and technique which produce results.”

    My ans- Totally baseless, funny & ignorant claim…… Sammohan weapon was specially made to make opponents unconcious only & not to kill anyone….. So by your rubbish logic, Sammohan weapon was not at all a weapon because it was not designed to kill anyone…..

    Your statement-“Then I asked you if Karna killed Ghatotakach by Vasavi does that mean it was the only capable celestial weapon and rest were useless for which Arjun roamed here and there?”

    My ans- Ignorant question again….. Buddy you were absent in this blog when we all were discussing the importance of celestial weapons in MB war….. And at that time, the most logical explaination was considered as that the celectial weapons were of two types viz. WMD & non-WMD….. non-WMD’s had the capabilties to kill only foot soldiers but not a Maharathi… hence a warrior used to possess the non-WMD’s only to counter the non-WMD of his opponent so as to save the life of his army soldiers…… So it was important for Arjun to collect those non-WMD’s from Dev-lok, because from Pandavas side, apart from Arjun, other warriors hardly had the collection of non-WMD’s, while Kauravas had larger collection of non-WMD(with warrior like Bhishma, Drona, Ahswatthama, Karna, Kripa, Bhagadatta etc who all had large collections of celestial weapons)….. That is why Arjun increased his collection from Devlok & then he distributed the non-WMD’s to other Pandava warriors……

    Only WMD’s had the capabilties to kill a Maharathi alone with army soldiers…. And looking at the description of weapons in MB, only 2 weapons stands out as WMD’s viz. Vasavi & Pashupatastra……

    Now the impact of a celestial weapon was not dependent on the skills of the possesser, because we hardly saw any difference in the impact of a weapon e.g. Brahmastra, when it was fired by either Arjun or by Shikhandi…..

    Impact of only non-celestial weapons(like simple Arrows, mace, spears etc) was dependent on the skill of the warrior…. That is why only great warriors could kill opponent Maharathis with the help of simple weapons…… E.g. Arjun killing Bhishma/Karna/Jaydrath…. Drona killing Viraat/Drupad…. with simple arrows….

    Your statement-“Supernatural or natural was always there even when your REAL SCIENTISTS were never born. They keep taking birth and getting perished but not the supernatural or natural laws which are beyond this cycle. REAL SCIENTISTS did not make nature’s laws they simply tell what is already there for all of us to know. So what is the big deal?”

    My ans- Sanjay bhai…. ab to aap REAL SCIENTISTS logo se bhi khunnas khane lag gaye…. Because they differentiated the Supernatural from Natural & told the whole world what to belive & what not to…… Shaaant Sanjay bhai shaant….. Your ignorance is clearly ignoring the fact that the Laws of Nature(or the laws of science) has been created by the Nature itself….. The REAL SCIENTISTS only indentified those Laws…. And the Supernaturality has been “CREATED” by Humans only(interpolators, fake babas, Pandits etc)….. So actually by promoting Supernaturality, you are acting against the Nature(or God)….. E.g. Nature(or God) had mad the Law of Nature that Humans cannot fly on his own…. so if someone dares to fly on his own by jumping from a 20 storey building, then Nature(or God) & Laws of Nature(Gravity) will pull that Man down on earth & that man will perish in his attempt to defy the Laws of nature(or God’s orders)…… So now do you realise where you spirituality or supernaturality is taking you ?? It is making you an opposer of God & his orders(i.e. Laws of Nature)…..

    Your statement-“Sachin you keep accusing all of us of dodging you but actually you are the MOST ESCAPIST DODGER in this blog. You never reply to questions which are beyond your understanding.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Look who is talking ?? Sanjay bhai mere kuch science ke sawaal aapke sir ke ooper se kya gaye, aapne to topic he change kar diya….. A clear cut example of you running away from questions which are beyond your UNDERSTANDING….. Now isnt it DODGING ??

    Your statement-“Also you do not reply by clicking REPLY rather come up with NEW COMMENT so that references & contexts are not checked out easily.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Really funny…. You mean to say that you dont remember what you had posted in your previous post or you have problem in you PC for scrolling down in this blog to see your previous post…… I always post my comment on top of this blog, so that no one should miss it…..

    And regarding your irrelevant & funny questions, i dont need to answer those because they are out of context of our discussion…. but since you have the habit of asking funny questions & then accusing me of DODGING, so here are the appropriate answers…….

    Your statement-“1.How Bhishma fought war at that age?”

    My ans- As per the Laws of Nature…. Physical capabilities & Life Span of a person depends on his Environment(Pollution etc) & Life style(habit, addiction etc)….. So Physical capabilities & Life Span of population keeps on changing with each era as per the change in Environment & Life style….. People of 18th century easily used to have life span upto 120 years, becuase of less Pollution & healthy Life style….. Greater percentage of People in Japan still live more than 100 years, while in India it is quiet rare in Metro cities…..

    So Bhishma living & actively fighting at that age (age of Bhishma not mentioned in MB) is still explainable as per the Laws of Nature…..

    Your statement-“2.Why all individuals are different?”

    My ans- VARIATION is basic Law of Nature…… hence no two individuals are same on this planet…. Now you ask God why he CREATED this Law of variation…..

    Your statement-“3.What is beyond our universe?”

    My ans- I dont know, because Laws of Nature might have prohibited the humans to know beyond the Universe, that is why God has created such a vast Universe that Humans cant go out of it to explore outside its boundaries… Or there may be no such thing as “beyond our universe”…..

    Your statement-“4.Why are you not living Amitabh Bachchan’s life?”

    My ans- Because Laws of Nature says that your “Karma” will decide your fate & Lifestyle….. And since my “Karma” was different than that of Big B’s, so Big B is not living my life & vice-versa……

    Aur koi seva Sanjay bhai..??

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    1. Dear Sachin. You must have seen the film sholay. Jagdeep ie soorma bhopali made a claim that how he thrashed jay and veeru the moment he saw jai and veeru next to him said mere layak koi seva ho to bolo. That doesn’t mean jay and veeru are helpless against the mighty soorma bhopali. Bhimas intercation with naryana astra was similar to that with bhima as the soorma bhopali talking big challanging the astra and making a complete jackass of himself. Below are the passages “ Then Bhimasena, the son of Pandu, beholding the warriors about to abandon their weapons, said these words, O king, gladdening them all: ‘None should lay down his weapons here. I shall, with my shafts, oppose this weapon of Drona’s son. That weapon of Drona’s son, directed against Bhimasena increased in energy and might, O king, like a conflagration assisted by the wind. Beholding that weapon of terrible energy thus increasing in might, a panic entered the hearts of all the combatants of the Pandava army with the exception of Bhima. Then all of them, throwing down their weapons on the earth, alighted from their cars and steeds. After they had thrown their weapons and alighted from their vehicles, that weapon of exceeding energy fell upon the head of Bhima. All creatures, especially the Pandavas, uttered cries of Oh and Alas, beholding Bhimasena overwhelmed by the energy of that weapon Beholding Bhimasena overwhelmed by that weapon, Dhananjaya, for baffling its energy, covered him with the Varuna weapon. In consequence of the lightness of Arjuna’s arms, and owing also to the fiery force that shrouded Bhima, none could see that the latter had been covered with the Varuna weapon. Shrouded with the weapon of Drona’s son, Bhima, his steeds, driver, and car became incapable of being gazed at, like a fire of blazing flame in the midst of another fire. Beholding that weapon thus investing Bhima all around, and seeing Drona’s son swelling with energy and might, the latter being then without an antagonist, and observing also that all the warriors of the Pandava army had laid down their weapons and that all the mighty car-warriors of that host headed by Yudhishthira had turned away their faces from the foe, those two heroes, viz., Arjuna and Vasudeva, both endued with great splendour, quickly alighting from their car, ran towards Bhima. Those two mighty men, diving into that energy born of the might of Aswatthaman’s weapon, had resorted to the power of illusion. The fire of that weapon consumed them not, in consequence of their having laid aside their weapons, as also in consequence of the force of the Varuna weapon, and owing also to the energy possessed by themselves. Then Nara and Narayana, for the pacification of Narayana weapon, began forcibly to drag Bhima and all his weapons. Thus dragged by them, Kunti’s son, that mighty car-warrior, began to roar aloud. Thereupon, that terrible and invincible weapon of Drona’s son began to increase (in might and energy). Then Vasudeva, addressing Bhima, said, ‘How is it, O son of Pandu, that though forbidden by us, thou, O son of Kunti, dost not yet abstain from battle? If the Kurus could now be vanquished in battle, then we, as also all these foremost of men, would certainly have continued to fight. Behold, all the warriors of thy host have alighted from their cars. For this reason, O son of Kunti, do thou also come down from thy car.’ Having said these words, Krishna brought Bhima down from his car. The latter, with eyes red as blood in rage, was sighing like a snake. When, however, he was dragged down from his car and made to lay aside his weapons, the Narayana weapon, that scorcher of foes, became pacified.’”

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    2. Dear Sachin,

      Bhima v/s Narayanastra –
      I was about to share the same passage what Niraj did before me. Still if you want to give more footage to Bhima, then you may do so at your own intelligence.
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      Regarding Sanmohana WEAPON –
      Virat war Section LXV,

      “And warding off with weapons, all the weapons of those bulls among the Kurus, the wielder of the Gandiva who was capable of enduring all foes, evolved another irresistible weapon obtained from Indra, called Sanmohana. And entirely covering the cardinal and other directions with sharp and keen-edged arrows furnished with beautiful feathers, that mighty hero STUPEFIED THEIR SENSES WITH THE TWANG OF THE GANDIVA. And once more, taking up with both his hands that large conch of loud blare, Partha, that slayer of foes, blew it with force and filled the cardinal and other points, the whole earth, and sky, with that noise. AND THOSE FOREMOST OF THE KURU HEROES WERE ALL DEPRIVED OF THEIR SENSES BY THE SOUND OF THAT CONCH BLOWN BY PARTHA. And all of them stood still, their bows, from which they were never separated, dropping down from their hands.”

      Where does it say that Sanmohana WEAPON made Kurus senseless? It clearly says TWANG OF GANDIVA and BLOWING OF CONCH made them senseless. You have not read your favourite KMG seriously. Both the sounds were also heard by Arjun, Uttar and Bhishma along with others who became senseless. Arjun and Uttar might have been ready to deal with it since they used it but what about Bhishma?

      Do you call TEAR GAS shell – a WEAPON??? If yes, then it is okay with me since it does not remain my problem anymore….
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      Before concluding and confirming which is WMD or non-WMD weapons you have to first understand what is “Celestial” in them. In the discussion you mentioned where I was ABSENT I remember no discussion to that effect took place. So before categorization of weapons you should UNDERSTAND the origin, definition and respective properties of weapons. Otherwise you will definitely end up forming assumptions only. An example – we may debate whether atom bomb is more lethal or nuclear bomb or hydrogen bomb. Since humanity has seen the catastrophic result of Atom bomb in world war II it does not mean the other succeeding bombs could not be lethal. In your case since many celestial weapons could not produce result in death of a maharathi you are concluding that they could not kill any maharathi. This is your assumption. If still it is your point of view then this is also okay with me because my point cannot get simpler than this.
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      REAL SCIENTISTS are people like you and me. Two scientists also differ on the same subject so taking them so seriously that we start living our life entirely based on their mind will not be an intelligent thing. Tree gives flowers & fruits is a common knowledge but if somebody studies this whole process of few months to track what changes are occurring, what special has he done? But we call them scientist since he organized & structured the existing knowledge for us.

      Definition –
      “Science (from Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe”

      Science builds and organises “Knowledge”. Knowledge is already there. Scientists do not create or develop that. They simply interpret it in systematic manner for people to understand. So as humans if they keep taking birth and dying what khunns did I take out on them? It is a REAL TIME fact. They did not differentiate natural from supernatural they remained confined to natural i.e. physicality. Our surroundings are made of distance, space and time which our mind is used to hence our confinement. When we dream we are not in this confinement hence our mind finds difficulty in comprehending our dream. This does not mean dreams are NOTHING or DO NOT EXIST. I am sure there are many decisions in your life where you do not look at REAL SCIENTISTS or their theories. This confirms that science has limitations and is not to be applied in all spheres of life.
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      Thanks for answering my irrelevant and funny questions: Jokes and pulling each other’s legs apart, just read my replies attentively and try to understand what is being conveyed –

      If pollution free environment or other mentioned things are the reason for longer age and capability in old age then why do still people under same environment die at different ages? So Laws of nature appear to have certain flaw in this scientific theory. If we believe that Laws of nature are supreme and perfect then there should be flaw in this scientific conclusion of these laws of nature. Given the choice would you trust science or Laws of nature?

      You explained that Bhishma had THAT age and capability because of pure nature. I have been saying the same thing that in earlier yugas nature used to support unbelievable virtues of life which are not supported in these times – longer ages being one of them. So what is supernatural in this? That was the nature of Laws of nature at that point of time. Can I now say to your agreement that people used to have longer age and higher physical capabilities in earlier times such as Satyug, Treta and Dwapar yugas because of least possible pollution? It is just that reason was missing earlier. Now if science/someone else is adamant and does not accept your reasoning of pure nature, our statement would surely sound “supernatural” or fairy tale i.e people during those times had longer ages. So you see there is an answer to fairy tales as well, it is just that we need to try and explore the reasons!
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      You say humans are different because VARIATION is basic Law of Nature. How many such basic laws of nature are there? On delving deeper one would like to know its basis which decides this VARIATION. Does science know the ORIGIN of this Law of nature? No, it is readily accepted by science without knowing its ORIGIN and execution pattern. Similarly understanding supernatural also demands that certain things need to be accepted before questioning them. The problem starts when educated and scientific minds do not do that. A student performs an experiment in the lab under certain given laws and assumptions before seeing the result of his experiment. If student begins by refuting those assumptions would he be able to achieve the desired results or even proceed with the correct experiment? NO…he would be doing “Hit and Trial”
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      Your answer –“ I dont know, because Laws of Nature might have prohibited the humans to know beyond the Universe, that is why God has created such a vast Universe that Humans cant go out of it to explore outside its boundaries… Or there may be no such thing as “beyond our universe”

      My comment – See you start with “I do not know”. Similarly there are many more things which none of us knows. Logic says if science is the outcome of human intelligence then even science would not know ALL. If the so advanced physical science is unable to know the limit and extent of physical creation how can it unravel the mystery of inner creation and ALL the laws governing both outer and inner creation? So it is evident that science does not know everything and it cannot explain everything either. Thus we are compelled to conclude that science can NEVER supersede Nature whose laws even science has to accept for its findings to sound meaningful.
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      Which REAL SCIENTIST has approved “Law of Karma”? You not only believe in that but giving that as reason to answer my question. As mentioned many times earlier also Karmic law is the supreme even above laws of nature. Example – Gravitational law will result in death of a person who falls from 10th storey of a building. However, karmic law may result in his survival! Now how can REAL SCIENTIST explain this? He can only comment medically on the physical damage and non-damage of the body but not why that person had to face such accident or result….so again it proves Science and their followers will face limitations till they unravel other mysteries of the creation.

      I am not against science but science is evolving and is not complete. Plus it is more inclined to systematic approach which is suitable only to analytical, logical and rational reasoning but not with emotional, spiritual and consciousness aspects.

      But I know your issue is with “supernatural”. I had explained you earlier also we see the result not the cause in its subtle and astral form. If our consciousness is able to travel the distance from cause to effect (result) we will know many things on this travel path which science cannot know by its existing means. This is achieved by meditation when all outwardly faculties are drawn inside us and align us with God and its creation revealing supernatural and various non-physical facts. Well you may still ask for proof. The answer to this is that such knowledge is very personal and as per spiritual discipline is usually not shared publicly. Secondly the proofs are so precious that they are richer till they are with experience holder. Thirdly the exhibition of such knowledge and feats are inversely proportionate to its advancement. You might have heard Guru Nanak, Jesus, Sai Baba or other spiritual people did some miracles – if you want famous proofs from our recorded history.

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  19. Dear Sanjay my village friend,

    Your statement-“It was child A who accepted invitation of playing with stones inspite of fully knowing that it may hurt him. Not only that, child A was more eager in pulling along his accompanied bros and wife so that ALL of them should get hurt. Now a grandpa like you can only pull ears of child B in such a situation….If child B was such a culprit why could child A not have the heart and guts to complain his grandpa for injustice done to him or at least demand justice???”

    My ans- So you will allow your one son to throw a stone at your 2nd son to hurt him….. Kudos to you man….!! I believe village people do so…..

    Your statement-” it is you who is trying to float in air after reading my question to you – how many more times did Bhima “dodge” like this is still not answered by you? You are the one who gave EXCUSE of “dodging” and not me.”

    My ans- Bhai ye kya baat hui ????? It is you who is giving us the rubbish logic that if Bhima dodged a weapon, hence this proves that weapon had killer capabilities…..And on the other hadn you are accusing me of giving you the EXCUSE of DODGING ?? Sanjay bhai, lagta hai aapko kai dino se gaon ki hawa nahi lagi hai, isiliye aapka dimaag funny arguements de raha hai…..

    Your 1st statement-“Arjun did not kill anybody by his weapons as per your favourite KMG??? I had rightly suggested you to consult a psychiatrist. Your health is going from bad to worse now. My logic proves that it was Karna only who knew how to use celestial weapon because he is the only one who killed a maharathi by a celestial weapon. In fact your own theory proves that Arjun DID NOT KNOW how to use celestial weapons at all since he had to kill maharthis with simple arrows. It further proves that a simple arrow could also kill maharathi…..you are caught in your own theory as usual.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha..ha… Bhai saahab HAWA mein baatein karna band kijiye…… I have already said that your theories have originated from HAWA-MAHAL only…. Had Arjun acquired the Vasavi & had failed to kill some Maharathi with it, then only your rubbish theory would have any weight into it…… Fact is that celestial weapons like Brahmastra, Mahendrastra, Varunastra, etc were fired by many warriors of MB & no one could kill any Maharathi with it… On the contrary, warriors like Bhishma, Karna, Jaydrath, Viraat, Drupad etc were killed by simple arrows only…… This proves that simple arrows were more dangerous that a celestial weapon(non WMD) for a Maharathi……

    Your statement-“If Vasavi could kill maharathi then Karna was the only competent warrior who could use it. If no other warrior could make a kill with any celestial weapon then we are forced to conclude as per your theory that only Vasavi & Karna were effective…..again caught in your own theory as usual.”

    My ans- Zzzzzzzzz…… I believe there is too much pollution in villages as well, that is why only funny & baseless theories are coming out from Sanjay’s brain….. We are not here to listen to your Sanjay puraan…..

    Your statement-“Which REAL SCIENTIST told you that KMG is the translation of ORIGINAL VED VYAS MB??? Which REAL SCIENTIST suggested you the ENGLISH theories and conclusions you keep coming up with every now and then? Do you have the guts to falsify something which is in public domain. Have you seen the status of the contributors to these serials? You and I are nowhere close to that….your answer again confirms that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT YOURSELF. You are simply beating around the bush just because you discovered an alien word called “supernatural”.”

    My ans- REAL SCIENTIST have told me what is supernatural in the world(& in Vyas MB) & what is not…… And even the status of contributors of Star Plus MB is great, so do you want me to believe everything shown in this SPMB ?? Buddy, it’s you who is wondering in the bush of spirituality & supernaturality & living in a fairy world of your dreams…. Its time to wake up now, before you make more mockery of your thoughts….. You dont even know what is NATURAL(or Nature’s laws or laws of science) & you claim to know about SUPERNATURAL….. Ha…ha..ha…

    Your statement-“Could you now please tell me as per theory of wikepedia what was Arjun’s target out of army of thousands and battery of maharathis? And how could only Bhishma, Arjun and Uttar survive this sound attack? What was stopping Arjun in using these “extremely high-power sound waves” in Kurukshetra war? In fact there were many more people in Kurukshetra with conches and were producing such high sounds every now and then. How many of such spell-bounds happen as per your favourite KMG? Answers to my other questions are also awaited”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha..ha… Why are you behaving like a sour loser here ?? I am not here to teach you science chapters….. You are very close to asking me to give scientific reason for a simple event like “an arrow piercing the body of a warrior” & then you will ask me to explain you the “NEWTON’S LAWS OF MOTION”…… And if i dont then you will say that this event is supernatural….. But since you are persistantly asking me to explain science facts, means you want a science TUTION from me, so let me judge my students’ science knowledge after which only i will decide whether you are eligible to gain the higher knowledge of science like SONIC WEAPONS etc…. So Sanjay, if you can answer the following science questions of your TEACHER(i.e. me), then only i will explain you the more difficult science facts & will answer to all of your above queries:

    Ques 1: How does a machine gun(Ak-47) work ??

    Ques 2: How does a Jet engine work ??

    Ques 3: How does an engine of a car work ??

    Ques 4: How does brain perceive the sound signal through ears ??

    Ques 5: How does brain perceive the light signal through eyes ??

    Ques 6: How does brain perceive the pain sensation through various sensory modes ??

    Ques 7: How does sound waves travel through air ??
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    I hope Mr Dhruv has no problem in our science TUTION in this blog of MB…..

    Now, after you answer to my above queries, i will decide whether you are knowledgable enough to UNDERSTAND the mechanism of SONIC WEAPONS, its effect & the ways to counter its effects etc(which you have asked me to explain)…..

    And no cheating in Here… I dont want a COPY & PASTE from WIKIPEDIA or any other source….. You should answer these questions on the basis of your own science knowledge acquired till date…..

    Answers to all questions are awaited…..

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    1. A monkey was made king in a jungle. A sheep went to him with a complaint that its lamb has been captured by tiger who might consume it so please help save its lamb. The monkey started jumping from one tree to another tree. He kept doing this acrobat for few hours which amused the sheep. The sheep reminded him that life of lamb was in danger if he kept delaying the rescue operation. To this king monkey replied with utmost innocence that there was no guarantee of lamb’s life but as intelligent king did he miss the RUNNING AROUND to help sheep’s cause? This is how Sachin keeps coming up with his posts on the points which are being discussed…….

      Dear Sachin Alien!

      June 14, 2014 at 8:58 pm
      Sachin’s post – “Simple answere- Any weapon(lethal or non-lethal) which cannot be nullified, SHOULD BE DODGED, so as to avoid getting injured by it”

      June 17, 2014 at 2:50 am
      Sachin’s post – “Bhai ye kya baat hui ????? It is you who is giving us the rubbish logic that if Bhima DODGED A WEAPON, hence this proves that weapon had killer capabilities…..And on the other hadn you are accusing me of giving you the EXCUSE of DODGING ?? Sanjay bhai, lagta hai aapko kai dino se gaon ki hawa nahi lagi hai, isiliye aapka dimaag funny arguements de raha hai…..”

      So who is DODGING by giving EXCUSE of DODGING? You started it as per records….To help you understand the fact – Bhima did not DODGE but stood silently in front of Narayanastra like a good boy saving not only his but lives of other Pandavas maharathis also. I hope you understand the difference. A weapon which was consuming Pandavas army was NOT a small stone thrown at Bhima which he would be simply dodging…humare village (planet earth) mein aisi soch ko Alien syndrome kehte hain!
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      Your 1st statement-”Arjun did not kill anybody by his weapons as per your favourite KMG??? I had rightly suggested you to consult a psychiatrist. Your health is going from bad to worse now. My logic proves that it was Karna only who knew how to use celestial weapon because he is the only one who killed a maharathi by a celestial weapon. In fact your own theory proves that Arjun DID NOT KNOW how to use celestial weapons at all since he had to kill maharthis with simple arrows. It further proves that a simple arrow could also kill maharathi…..you are caught in your own theory as usual.”
      My ans- Ha..ha…ha..ha… Bhai saahab HAWA mein baatein karna band kijiye…… I have already said that your theories have originated from HAWA-MAHAL only…. Had Arjun acquired the Vasavi & had failed to kill some Maharathi with it, then only your rubbish theory would have any weight into it…… Fact is that celestial weapons like Brahmastra, Mahendrastra, Varunastra, etc were fired by many warriors of MB & no one could kill any Maharathi with it… On the contrary, warriors like Bhishma, Karna, Jaydrath, Viraat, Drupad etc were killed by simple arrows only…… This proves that simple arrows were more dangerous that a celestial weapon(non WMD) for a Maharathi……

      My reply – You are confused BIG TIME. I said a weapon is a weapon and is made to kill but it is the use and technique which produce results. You have been refuting it. At the same time you gave example Arjun killed many maharathis with simple arrows verifying that simple arrows are far better than celestial weapons since none of them could kill any maharathi. So in a way you contradicted your own assumption. Then I asked you if Karna killed Ghatotakach by Vasavi does that mean it was the only capable celestial weapon and rest were useless for which Arjun roamed here and there? You NEVER answered that but kept on jumping from here and there. I am waiting for your answer on this without letting your confusion spilled over me.

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      Your statement-”Which REAL SCIENTIST told you that KMG is the translation of ORIGINAL VED VYAS MB??? Which REAL SCIENTIST suggested you the ENGLISH theories and conclusions you keep coming up with every now and then? Do you have the guts to falsify something which is in public domain. Have you seen the status of the contributors to these serials? You and I are nowhere close to that….your answer again confirms that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT YOURSELF. You are simply beating around the bush just because you discovered an alien word called “supernatural”.”
      My ans- REAL SCIENTIST have told me what is supernatural in the world(& in Vyas MB) & what is not…… And even the status of contributors of Star Plus MB is great, so do you want me to believe everything shown in this SPMB ?? Buddy, it’s you who is wondering in the bush of spirituality & supernaturality & living in a fairy world of your dreams…. Its time to wake up now, before you make more mockery of your thoughts….. You dont even know what is NATURAL(or Nature’s laws or laws of science) & you claim to know about SUPERNATURAL….. Ha…ha..ha…

      My reply – Bhai super intelligent you MUST know that SPMB is an entertainer with disclaimer stating the same in the beginning of each episode….Supernatural or natural was always there even when your REAL SCIENTISTS were never born. They keep taking birth and getting perished but not the supernatural or natural laws which are beyond this cycle. REAL SCIENTISTS did not make nature’s laws they simply tell what is already there for all of us to know. So what is the big deal? If supernatural was the cuss thing then it would have NOT been addressed as having “natural” in it…..humare village (planet earth) mein dimaag hamari tarah lagya karo apne planet ki tarah nahin!
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      Sachin you keep accusing all of us of dodging you but actually you are the MOST ESCAPIST DODGER in this blog. You never reply to questions which are beyond your understanding. Also you do not reply by clicking REPLY rather come up with NEW COMMENT so that references & contexts are not checked out easily. You also start counter-questioning when you do not have the answers to our questions. I caught you MAN! Please do not waste your intelligence on teaching me sonic science. Please do not try to wriggle out from answering my questions by putting your counter-questions as usual. I am repeating my questions which were asked first –
      1. How Bhishma fought war at that age?
      2. Why all individuals are different?
      3. What is beyond our universe?
      4. Why are you not living Amitabh Bachchan’s life?

      If Mr. Dhruv can allow your whims and fancies run amok in this blog he is surely big hearted to allow your answers to my questions FIRST…..

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      1. Somehow, the monkey and sheep story is amusing me way more than it shud

        @Sachin,

        You were jmping like Sanjay’s monkey when karna dodged Bhim but defending Bhim when he “dodges”

        . Refuting yourself?

        Sachin u need to prove first that celestial weapons were non lethal, by giving proper reasoning. And also u need to prove pashupath is a wmd. Sinply firing vayavastra from ur hawa mahal is insufficient.

        Simply napping and giving no counter only proves that u do not hv any counter to the statement.

        U can make a mockery of people for following supernatural.

        Height of hypocrisy, bcoz u do not rate virat yuddh as supernatural. Now ask from a real scientist whether one man can defeat an entire army with a destructible car and an inexperienced driver. Also ask which king goes.for war after beaaten by one man Let lone 5

        Sanjay had asked a simple quess, why werent bhishm uttar werent affected. They werent wearing pink and fluffy earmuffs were they? Answer this and dont dodge.
        Dont bcome another Rahul gandhi. If u r then go watch chhota Bhim, the bada version of whom u r so eager to defend

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  20. Dear Sanjay my village friend,

    Your statement-“How can you accuse Bhishma without looking at Pandavas in this issue if you are talking unbiased? Pandavas married single lady out of lust without consulting Bhishma. Yudi staked his brothers and Draupadi without consulting or approval from Bhishma.”

    My ans- Ha…ha…ha…ha… As expected…. Arey bhai I had accepted that it was Pandavas’ fault at Duyta to gamble…. Ab aap Bhishma ko bachane ke liye, Pandavo ki jaan longe kya ?? Bhishma had all the freedom to speak to stop Yudi from betting Draupadi & to condemn the act of Duryo to order Dusshashan to bring Draupadi at Dyuta hall & to speak his mind out against draupadi’s disrobing…… But, Mr Bishma did nothing…. This fact clearly shows that Bhishma favoured Duryo’s action at Dyuta…..

    E.g. If you have two children A & B…. Child A(Pandavas) threw a stone at child B(Duryo) & hurt him…. So in return, child B is attempting to throw a stone at Child B, so as to take revenge in front of you….. So what would you do here ?? would you(Bhishma) let your child B(Duryo) take his revenge by hurting your child A(Pandavas) ?????? Or would you attempt to stop child B(Duryo) from doing so ?? Just because one child did some mistake, it doesnt mean you would advice your 2nd child to take revenge from him by doing another mistake….. What do you say about this Sanjay bhai….

    Your statement-“Your favourite KMG clearly says DISROBING HAPPENED.”

    My ans- Ha…ha…ha… Offcourse, you dont understand ENGLISH properly, that is why we are hearing so many funny claims of yours….. Sanjay bhai, KMG says that Dusshashan ATTEMPTED TO DISROB Draupadi but he FAILED TO DISROB Draupdi(due to supernatural factors)…. Mean that “ATTEMPTED DISROBING” HAPPENED… So where in the hell it is written that DISROBING HAPPENED ?? Do you mean to say that Draupdi was DISROBED OFF HER clothes ?? Buddy i suggest you to read you English textbook as well along with the Std 10th Science textbook….. You have got serious issues in your English understanding as well…. Once you get your understanding back on this point then we will continue discussion on this topic…..

    Your statement-“Are you saying just to make Bhima “dodge” Krishna, Arjun and other sensible people were pleading him for his own sake? Bhima himself being maharathi did not even know “how to dodge” a simple arrow like Narayanastra???”

    My ans- Sanjay bhai…. your comments are floating in air only…. I had asked you to prove that Narayan astra had the capabilty to kill a Maharathi….. And in return, what reply you came up with-“Oh, Bhima dodged the Narayanastra, hence Narayanastra had the capability to kill a Maharathi”….. Ha..ha…ha… Very funny….. I had warned you previously as well that be carefull what you claim here, otherwise you will be forced to eat your own words here….. Now your rubbish reasoning does not stand any ground here….. If someone throws a small stone at you, then you will certainly dodge it to avoid getting hit from it…. Why ?? Because you know that the stone can hurt you(but not kill you), so does it prove that the stone has the capability to kill you ??

    Your statement-“IT STILL BOILS DOWN TO THE SAME FACT “how and when to use”. Arjun used them effectively.”

    My ans- HAWA-MAHAL claim….. Prove this from KMG…… And your vague logic only proves that Karna was not at all expert in using his celestial weapons effectively….

    Your statement-“I also asked you if Vasavi was the only CELESTIAL WEAPON since it killed a maharathi???? You are absconding on this”

    My ans- when did this challenge happen ?????????? And when did i claim this ?? There were many types of celestial weapons but Vasavi had the capability to kill a Maharathi…..

    Your statement-“My CONCLUSIVE reaction – you yourself do not know what you want as PROOF. You are wasting your time, energy and intelligence on something which even you do not know. So it is very clear henceforth you would not dare to ask for proof because you NEITHER ACCEPT THE ONES GIVEN FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN NOR THE ONES WHICH ARE PERSONALISED…”

    My ans- Isey kehte hai-“Apne muh miyan mitthooo”…. Discovery & Ancient aliens are not the “REAL SCIENTISTS” who invented those laws of science, so why would i take there programmes or theories seriously ?? Did they show that a SCIENTIST has PROVED that the supernatural event do occur ?? Grow up Sanjay……

    Your statement-“Sir I did not ask you to teach me. I asked for the SCIENTIFIC ANSWERS to my questions which you are trying to escape…..You asked me PROOF I gave you the most recent and credible ones that too confirmed by someone having your kind of ENGLISH COMMON-SENSE. I NEVER ASKED YOU TO REFER A SPIRITUAL BOOK. So now it is your turn to oblige MY request…..…Comm’ on MAN use your COMMON-SENSE which you have in plenty and give the replies to my questions”

    My ans- Bhai… ye to wohi baat ho gayi ki jo kaam appke 5th std ke science teacher ne karna chahiye tha, wo ab mujhe karna pad raha hai…… One day you will ask me to give scientific reason for a simple event like “an arrow piercing the body of a warrior” & then you will ask me to explain you the “NEWTON’S LAWS OF MOTION”…… And if i dont then you will say that this event is supernatural…… Ha…ha…ha…..

    But still i must help a weak science student like you…. Although i dont have the time to read the science books for giving you reference, so i would just give you some references from WIKIPEDIA:

    en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Sonic_weapons

    It says:
    “Extremely high-power sound waves can disrupt or destroy the eardrums of a target and cause severe pain or disorientation. This is usually sufficient to incapacitate a person. Less powerful sound waves can cause humans to experience nausea or discomfort. The use of these frequencies to incapacitate persons has occurred both in counter-terrorist and crowd control settings.”
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    Satisfied ?? Or you need special science tuitions as well ?? Ha..ha…ha…ha…ha…

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    1. Mere Sachin Pardesi!

      Thanks for confirming I belong to my roots….you straight away landed in a city from some other planet and this is why you find it tough to matchup with our village thinking……hahahahahahahaha…..

      Your statement-”E.g. If you have two children A & B…. Child A(Pandavas) threw a stone at child B(Duryo) & hurt him…. So in return, child B is attempting to throw a stone at Child B, so as to take revenge in front of you….. So what would you do here ?? would you(Bhishma) let your child B(Duryo) take his revenge by hurting your child A(Pandavas) ?????? Or would you attempt to stop child B(Duryo) from doing so ?? Just because one child did some mistake, it doesnt mean you would advice your 2nd child to take revenge from him by doing another mistake….. What do you say about this Sanjay bhai….

      My answer – It was child A who accepted invitation of playing with stones inspite of fully knowing that it may hurt him. Not only that, child A was more eager in pulling along his accompanied bros and wife so that ALL of them should get hurt. Now a grandpa like you can only pull ears of child B in such a situation….If child B was such a culprit why could child A not have the heart and guts to complain his grandpa for injustice done to him or at least demand justice???

      Your statement-”Ha…ha…ha… Offcourse, you dont understand ENGLISH properly, that is why we are hearing so many funny claims of yours….. Sanjay bhai, KMG says that Dusshashan ATTEMPTED TO DISROB Draupadi but he FAILED TO DISROB Draupdi(due to supernatural factors)…. Mean that “ATTEMPTED DISROBING” HAPPENED… So where in the hell it is written that DISROBING HAPPENED ?? Do you mean to say that Draupdi was DISROBED OFF HER clothes ?? Buddy i suggest you to read you English textbook as well along with the Std 10th Science textbook….. You have got serious issues in your English understanding as well…. Once you get your understanding back on this point then we will continue discussion on this topic…..

      My answer – You are the one who said that ATTEMPT happened. KMG says Dushassan kept on pulling Draupadi’s attire meaning disrobing happened. OR does your ENGLISH say something else? The pulling away of attire will result in her getting stripped off her clothes or something else as per your ENGLISH? Krishna supplied saree for AN ATTEMPT???? Hahaahhahaha….then I must agree with you it was non-sense supernatural because Krishna or anybody with village thinking would supply saree only if it is pulled away so that she is saved of stripping. Well an ENGLISH thinking person would surely supply saree for AN ATTEMPT……hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

      Your statement-”Sanjay bhai…. your comments are floating in air only…. I had asked you to prove that Narayan astra had the capabilty to kill a Maharathi….. And in return, what reply you came up with-”Oh, Bhima dodged the Narayanastra, hence Narayanastra had the capability to kill a Maharathi”….. Ha..ha…ha… Very funny….. I had warned you previously as well that be carefull what you claim here, otherwise you will be forced to eat your own words here….. Now your rubbish reasoning does not stand any ground here….. If someone throws a small stone at you, then you will certainly dodge it to avoid getting hit from it…. Why ?? Because you know that the stone can hurt you(but not kill you), so does it prove that the stone has the capability to kill you ??

      My answer – it is you who is trying to float in air after reading my question to you – how many more times did Bhima “dodge” like this is still not answered by you? You are the one who gave EXCUSE of “dodging” and not me.

      Your statement-”HAWA-MAHAL claim….. Prove this from KMG…… And your vague logic only proves that Karna was not at all expert in using his celestial weapons effectively….

      My answer – WHAAAAATTTTT??? Arjun did not kill anybody by his weapons as per your favourite KMG??? I had rightly suggested you to consult a psychiatrist. Your health is going from bad to worse now. My logic proves that it was Karna only who knew how to use celestial weapon because he is the only one who killed a maharathi by a celestial weapon. In fact your own theory proves that Arjun DID NOT KNOW how to use celestial weapons at all since he had to kill maharthis with simple arrows. It further proves that a simple arrow could also kill maharathi…..you are caught in your own theory as usual.

      Your statement-”when did this challenge happen ?????????? And when did i claim this ?? There were many types of celestial weapons but Vasavi had the capability to kill a Maharathi…..

      My answer – See you are still living in your world. This happened on June 13, 2014 at 11:03 am. “Chalo forget everything please tell me if a so-called celestial weapon could not pierce an armour of a maharthi what was celestial (special) about it? Do you want to say only Vasavi could kill maharathi of all celestial weapons? None out of Pashupat, Brahamstra, narayanastra etc…could kill maharathi?”
      If Vasavi could kill maharathi then Karna was the only competent warrior who could use it. If no other warrior could make a kill with any celestial weapon then we are forced to conclude as per your theory that only Vasavi & Karna were effective…..again caught in your own theory as usual.

      Your statement-”Isey kehte hai-”Apne muh miyan mitthooo”…. Discovery & Ancient aliens are not the “REAL SCIENTISTS” who invented those laws of science, so why would i take there programmes or theories seriously ?? Did they show that a SCIENTIST has PROVED that the supernatural event do occur ?? Grow up Sanjay……

      My answer – Which REAL SCIENTIST told you that KMG is the translation of ORIGINAL VED VYAS MB??? Which REAL SCIENTIST suggested you the ENGLISH theories and conclusions you keep coming up with every now and then? Do you have the guts to falsify something which is in public domain. Have you seen the status of the contributors to these serials? You and I are nowhere close to that….your answer again confirms that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT YOURSELF. You are simply beating around the bush just because you discovered an alien word called “supernatural”.

      Your statement-”Bhai… ye to wohi baat ho gayi ki jo kaam appke 5th std ke science teacher ne karna chahiye tha, wo ab mujhe karna pad raha hai…… One day you will ask me to give scientific reason for a simple event like “an arrow piercing the body of a warrior” & then you will ask me to explain you the “NEWTON’S LAWS OF MOTION”…… And if i dont then you will say that this event is supernatural…… Ha…ha…ha…..
      But still i must help a weak science student like you…. Although i dont have the time to read the science books for giving you reference, so i would just give you some references from WIKIPEDIA:
      en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Sonic_weapons
      It says:
      “Extremely high-power sound waves can disrupt or destroy the eardrums of a target and cause severe pain or disorientation. This is usually sufficient to incapacitate a person. Less powerful sound waves can cause humans to experience nausea or discomfort. The use of these frequencies to incapacitate persons has occurred both in counter-terrorist and crowd control settings.”

      Satisfied ?? Or you need special science tuitions as well ?? Ha..ha…ha…ha…ha…

      My answer – you DID NOT NAME THE REAL SCIENTIST who gave this gyan to Wikipedia? I asked many questions but you are fighting desperately to answer just one. Could you now please tell me as per theory of wikepedia what was Arjun’s target out of army of thousands and battery of maharathis? And how could only Bhishma, Arjun and Uttar survive this sound attack? What was stopping Arjun in using these “extremely high-power sound waves” in Kurukshetra war? In fact there were many more people in Kurukshetra with conches and were producing such high sounds every now and then. How many of such spell-bounds happen as per your favourite KMG? Answers to my other questions are also awaited….

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      1. Sachin, is forgetting that narayanastra killed one aksauhini sena bfore it was nullified ny krishna.

        Also pashupat was not such a gr8 astra

        It was fired and couldntkilp even a single soldier and u r saying it was A Wmd

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  21. Hey Sachin,

    When is your well-researched NEW MB is coming out in market? I am sure it will capture the market of your favourite KMG since it will have all your ENGLISH thinking enlightening the world??

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      1. Why should I waste my time in reading KMG and other science books when I can have the privilege of reading your version which will supply all these knowledgeable findings? Comm’on the whole world is awaiting your mind eagerly!

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  22. Dear Sanjay mere spiritual Dost,

    Your statement-“Everybody sees what is written in your favourite KMG except YOU. NOBODY including Pandavas uttered a word on Draupadi disrobing is a fact from your favourite KMG. Bhishma also did not pull Pandavas ears when their lust resulted in marrying a single woman against dharma! Does this mean he favoured Pandavas also???”

    My ans- Arey bhai…. aap fir Pandavo ke peeche pad gaye….. Yahan baat Bhishma ki ho rahi hai…… Just because Pandavas did the wrong thing at Dyuta, so does it exempts the fault of Bhishma of enjoying the disrobing silently ?? Vague & biased logic……

    Your statement-“Did disrobing happen or not? You cannot pick one scenario because you yourself have created more than one scenario. So the onus is on you to confirm your pick.”

    My ans- Ye to wohi baat ho gayi- “Bhains ke aage been bajaana”….. Why are you asking me same question when you dont care about my answer & its logic ?? And unless the situation clearly indicates, i dont derive conclusions baselessly….. So i have clearly said previously that since supernaturality is involved in Draupadi disrobing, so we can only speculate what could have actually happened at Dyuta…. And i could think of only 2 possibilities : EITHER Duryo never ordered to disrob Draupadi or Duryo ordered for disrobing & dushashan ATTEMPTED to disrob but stopped by Gandhari….. Hence i cant rule out any one possibility completley because both possibilities are logically possible…. And i am not the kind of guy who would talk in air, so i cant conclude anything baselessly…… If you can rule out anyone of these possibilities by giving proper logic, then you are most welcome…..

    Your statement-“why was Bhima asked to behave properly in front of Narayanastra?”

    My ans- Simple answere- Any weapon(lethal or non-lethal) which cannot be nullified, should be dodged, so as to avoid getting injured by it….. So it doesnt prove that the concerned weapon is Lethal…. MB warrior used to dodge the simple arrows as well, so does it prove that the arrow would have killed him if he had not dodged it ??

    Your statement-“Were only maharathis entitled to wear an armour and not soldiers?”

    My ans- Sheer ignorance again….. The armour of a Maharathi was much stronger & thicker than that of a common soldier….

    Your statement-“Read my post again it says “how and when to use” will decide the result. So the fact of the matter is if weapon is fired at maharathi or soldier it is capable of killing both. The key is USE. If the user delivers some fault or lacks potency or technique the result will be different.”

    My ans- Nice opinion expressed Sanjay bhai…. you are behaving as if you are the MB warfare expert without reading MB war details….. And by you vague logic, it shows that Karna was such an incompetant warrior that he couldnt kill even a single Maharathi with his Bhargavasatra even after firing it twice on day 17, even though none of the Pandava knew how to nullify it ?? Is it so Sanjay bhai ??

    And FYI, Arjun’s normal arrows were more lethal than his celestial weapons(except WMD Pashupath), that is why he always used his normal arrows to kill Maharathis & he never killed any Maharathi with his celestial weapons……

    Your statement-“Just few days back I gave you ENGLISH proof from Discovery channel…then I again proved my point from Ancient Aliens episode on 10th June at 4:08pm but alas your ENGLISH thinking never understands INDIAN spirituality (seen in the past also) so it is better we save each other’s time.”

    My ans- Thses are just unproved theories shown in Discovery/Ancient aliens, so not the truth…..

    Your statement-“High frequency sound can make a person dizzy & unconscious but not the whole army consisting of thousands of people. Going by your explanation soldiers in modern day wars must be lying unconscious. I hope you know what level of sound does a bomb explosion release. Further people living near airports would have sleeping all their lives as per your explanation…or are they given Bhishma like training to counter that affect? Please do not give desperate answers to make all of us laugh.”

    My ans- I am not here to teach you the science subject….. You may refer a science book, if you facing so much of problem in understanding the proven facts of Sciencs….

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    1. Friends, I have been busy, hence my absence,. I

      Sachin,

      First off can u tell me how much common was it that one woman marries five man? Y didnt bhishma yell at the pandavas for it? And buddy u need to prove that bhishma ENJOYED draupadi disrobing.

      Draupadi disrobing involves supernatural things
      things. So u discarded it. Alright.

      Now prove that one man(except sunny deol or rajnikant) can suddenly become invincible beat an army by himself, while could not repeat such feats again. (with support of armies). I agree to sanjay’s views we shud consider kmg with its jokes intact

      Bhim forced to become tameezdar in front of narayanastra does not hold much relevance( by the way is this dodging?). U started beating dholak when karna dodges Bhim. Uhuhuh.

      Snjay’s analysis of astra is correct
      When ashwathama fired agneyastra, arjun fired brgmastra to counterr it. Now either somebody would have nullified brahmastra or the Brahmastra would have been on a rampage

      Either way brahmastra didnt kill any maharathi

      U need to prove that pashupath is a wmd from kmg.

      Arjun killed maharathis like karna and bhishma when his celeatial weapons were punctured abd his opponent not in the position to attack.

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    2. Hey Sachin PARDESI!

      How can you accuse Bhishma without looking at Pandavas in this issue if you are talking unbiased? Pandavas married single lady out of lust without consulting Bhishma. Yudi staked his brothers and Draupadi without consulting or approval from Bhishma. When they themselves became slaves of Duryo they made all those even on their side redundant including Bhishma. Please explain why should Bhishma question the disrobing of a slave lady who was staked by her own husband in full public glare? Not only that when orders of her disrobing were issued by Yuvraj her own husbands did the same with utmost urgency. Any sensible person would have been pissed off with such act of Pandavas. If you still want somebody to jump into it and sound like a fool then I can neither stop that nor would I like to convince you on this baseless accusation..….
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      Let us see who is the “bhains” here and who is “been bajaoing”……You really need a psychiatrist the way you keep losing your own point. Your favourite KMG clearly says DISROBING HAPPENED. Still you are speculating things and not able to confirm one out of those as your final pick. If Druyo NEVER ordered disrobing then your accusing of Bhishma is baseless. If Gandhari stopped ATTEMPT of Dushassan then also Bhishma’s expected reaction is NOT required. So I give you another chance to re-think what you are saying –
      1. Neither of your speculations confirm that DISROBING EVER HAPPENED so Bhishma CANNOT BE ACCUSED.
      2. Bhishma ought to be accused because DISROBING HAPPENED AS IT IS MENTIONED IN YOUR FAVOURITE KMG AND KRISHNA SAVED HER GETTING NUDE BY SUPERNATURAL ACT.
      Under no circumstances both can be true….
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      Are you saying just to make Bhima “dodge” Krishna, Arjun and other sensible people were pleading him for his own sake? Bhima himself being maharathi did not even know “how to dodge” a simple arrow like Narayanastra??? Till he was learning “how to dodge” the simple weapon was waiting whether to attack Bhima before “dodging” or after “dodhing”? Good simple answer…How many such simple weapons did Bhima try to “Dodge” as per your favourite KMG? He might have faced many such simple weapons during all 18 days I believe…..could you please make it simpler for me to accept your intelligence by sharing the asked numbers?
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      Your statement-”Were only maharathis entitled to wear an armour and not soldiers?”
      My ans- Sheer ignorance again….. The armour of a Maharathi was much stronger & thicker than that of a common soldier….
      Your statement-”Read my post again it says “how and when to use” will decide the result. So the fact of the matter is if weapon is fired at maharathi or soldier it is capable of killing both. The key is USE. If the user delivers some fault or lacks potency or technique the result will be different.”
      My ans- Nice opinion expressed Sanjay bhai…. you are behaving as if you are the MB warfare expert without reading MB war details….. And by you vague logic, it shows that Karna was such an incompetant warrior that he couldnt kill even a single Maharathi with his Bhargavasatra even after firing it twice on day 17, even though none of the Pandava knew how to nullify it ?? Is it so Sanjay bhai ?? And FYI, Arjun’s normal arrows were more lethal than his celestial weapons(except WMD Pashupath), that is why he always used his normal arrows to kill Maharathis & he never killed any Maharathi with his celestial weapons……

      My answer – IT STILL BOILS DOWN TO THE SAME FACT “how and when to use”. Arjun used them effectively. I also asked you if Vasavi was the only CELESTIAL WEAPON since it killed a maharathi???? You are absconding on this…..
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      Your statement-”Just few days back I gave you ENGLISH proof from Discovery channel…then I again proved my point from Ancient Aliens episode on 10th June at 4:08pm but alas your ENGLISH thinking never understands INDIAN spirituality (seen in the past also) so it is better we save each other’s time.”
      My ans- Thses are just unproved theories shown in Discovery/Ancient aliens, so not the truth…..

      My CONCLUSIVE reaction – you yourself do not know what you want as PROOF. You are wasting your time, energy and intelligence on something which even you do not know. So it is very clear henceforth you would not dare to ask for proof because you NEITHER ACCEPT THE ONES GIVEN FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN NOR THE ONES WHICH ARE PERSONALISED…
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      Your statement-”High frequency sound can make a person dizzy & unconscious but not the whole army consisting of thousands of people. Going by your explanation soldiers in modern day wars must be lying unconscious. I hope you know what level of sound does a bomb explosion release. Further people living near airports would have sleeping all their lives as per your explanation…or are they given Bhishma like training to counter that affect? Please do not give desperate answers to make all of us laugh.”
      My ans- I am not here to teach you the science subject….. You may refer a science book, if you facing so much of problem in understanding the proven facts of Sciencs….

      My answer – Sir I did not ask you to teach me. I asked for the SCIENTIFIC ANSWERS to my questions which you are trying to escape…..You asked me PROOF I gave you the most recent and credible ones that too confirmed by someone having your kind of ENGLISH COMMON-SENSE. I NEVER ASKED YOU TO REFER A SPIRITUAL BOOK. So now it is your turn to oblige MY request…..…Comm’ on MAN use your COMMON-SENSE which you have in plenty and give the replies to my questions! Hahahahahahahaha……

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    3. Hey Sachin PARDESI!

      How can you accuse Bhishma without looking at Pandavas in this issue if you are talking unbiased? Pandavas married single lady out of lust without consulting Bhishma. Yudi staked his brothers and Draupadi without consulting or approval from Bhishma. When they themselves became slaves of Duryo they made all those even on their side redundant including Bhishma. Please explain why should Bhishma question the disrobing of a slave lady who was staked by her own husband in full public glare? Not only that when orders of her disrobing were issued by Yuvraj her own husbands did the same with utmost urgency. Any sensible person would have been pissed off with such act of Pandavas. If you still want somebody to jump into it and sound like a fool then I can neither stop that nor would I like to convince you on this baseless accusation..….
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      Let us see who is the “bhains” here and who is “been bajaoing”……You really need a psychiatrist the way you keep losing your own point. Your favourite KMG clearly says DISROBING HAPPENED. Still you are speculating things and not able to confirm one out of those as your final pick. If Druyo NEVER ordered disrobing then your accusing of Bhishma is baseless. If Gandhari stopped ATTEMPT of Dushassan then also Bhishma’s expected reaction is NOT required. So I give you another chance to re-think what you are saying –
      1. Neither of your speculations confirm that DISROBING EVER HAPPENED so Bhishma CANNOT BE ACCUSED.
      2. Bhishma ought to be accused because DISROBING HAPPENED AS IT IS MENTIONED IN YOUR FAVOURITE KMG AND KRISHNA SAVED HER GETTING NUDE BY SUPERNATURAL ACT.
      Under no circumstances both can be true….
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      Are you saying just to make Bhima “dodge” Krishna, Arjun and other sensible people were pleading him for his own sake? Bhima himself being maharathi did not even know “how to dodge” a simple arrow like Narayanastra??? Till he was learning “how to dodge” the simple weapon was waiting whether to attack Bhima before “dodging” or after “dodging”? Good simple answer…How many such simple weapons did Bhima try to “Dodge” as per your favourite KMG? He might have faced many such simple weapons during all 18 days I believe…..could you please make it simpler for me to accept your intelligence by sharing the asked numbers?
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      Your statement-”Were only maharathis entitled to wear an armour and not soldiers?”
      My ans- Sheer ignorance again….. The armour of a Maharathi was much stronger & thicker than that of a common soldier….
      Your statement-”Read my post again it says “how and when to use” will decide the result. So the fact of the matter is if weapon is fired at maharathi or soldier it is capable of killing both. The key is USE. If the user delivers some fault or lacks potency or technique the result will be different.”
      My ans- Nice opinion expressed Sanjay bhai…. you are behaving as if you are the MB warfare expert without reading MB war details….. And by you vague logic, it shows that Karna was such an incompetant warrior that he couldnt kill even a single Maharathi with his Bhargavasatra even after firing it twice on day 17, even though none of the Pandava knew how to nullify it ?? Is it so Sanjay bhai ?? And FYI, Arjun’s normal arrows were more lethal than his celestial weapons(except WMD Pashupath), that is why he always used his normal arrows to kill Maharathis & he never killed any Maharathi with his celestial weapons……

      My answer – IT STILL BOILS DOWN TO THE SAME FACT “how and when to use”. Arjun used them effectively. I also asked you if Vasavi was the only CELESTIAL WEAPON since it killed a maharathi???? You are absconding on this…..
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      Your statement-”Just few days back I gave you ENGLISH proof from Discovery channel…then I again proved my point from Ancient Aliens episode on 10th June at 4:08pm but alas your ENGLISH thinking never understands INDIAN spirituality (seen in the past also) so it is better we save each other’s time.”
      My ans- Thses are just unproved theories shown in Discovery/Ancient aliens, so not the truth…..

      My CONCLUSIVE reaction – you yourself do not know what you want as PROOF. You are wasting your time, energy and intelligence on something which even you do not know. So it is very clear henceforth you would not dare to ask for proof because you NEITHER ACCEPT THE ONES GIVEN FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN NOR THE ONES WHICH ARE PERSONALISED…
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      Your statement-”High frequency sound can make a person dizzy & unconscious but not the whole army consisting of thousands of people. Going by your explanation soldiers in modern day wars must be lying unconscious. I hope you know what level of sound does a bomb explosion release. Further people living near airports would have sleeping all their lives as per your explanation…or are they given Bhishma like training to counter that affect? Please do not give desperate answers to make all of us laugh.”
      My ans- I am not here to teach you the science subject….. You may refer a science book, if you facing so much of problem in understanding the proven facts of Sciencs….

      My answer – Sir I did not ask you to teach me. I asked for the SCIENTIFIC ANSWERS to my questions which you are trying to escape…..You asked me PROOF I gave you the most recent and credible ones that too confirmed by someone having your kind of ENGLISH COMMON-SENSE. I NEVER ASKED YOU TO REFER A SPIRITUAL BOOK. So now it is your turn to oblige MY request…..…Comm’ on MAN use your COMMON-SENSE which you have in plenty and give the replies to my questions! Hahahahahahahaha……

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  23. “Bhishma said, ‘I am quite incompetent to recite the virtues of Mahadeva of highest intelligence. He pervades all things in the universe and yet is not seen anywhere. He is the creator of universal self and the Pragna (knowing) self and he is their master. All the deities, from Brahman to

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    the Pisachas, adore and worship him. He transcends both Prakriti and Purusha. It is of Him that Rishis, conversant with Yoga and possessing a knowledge of the tattwas, think and reflect. He is indestructible and Supreme Brahman. He is both existent and non-existent. Agitating both Prakriti and Purusha by means of His energy, He created therefrom the universal lord of creatures, viz., Brahma. Who is there that is competent to tell the virtues of that god of gods, that is endued with supreme Intelligence? Man is subject to conception (in the mother’s womb), birth, decrepitude, and death. Being such, what man like me is competent to understand Bhava? Only Narayana, O son, that bearer of the discus and the mace, can comprehend Mahadeva. He is without deterioration. He is the foremost of all beings in attributes. He is Vishnu, because of his pervading the universe. He is irresistible. Endued with spiritual vision, He is possessed of supreme Energy. He sees all things with the eye of Yoga. It is in consequence of the devotion of the high-souled Krishna to the illustrious Rudra whom he gratified. O Bharata, in the retreat of Vadari, by penances, that he has succeeded in pervading the entire universe. O king of kings, it is through Maheswara of celestial vision that Vasudeva has obtained the attribute of universal agreeableness,–an agreeableness that is much greater than what is possessed by all articles included under the name of wealth. 1 For a full thousand years this Madhava underwent the austerest penances and at last succeeded in gratifying the illustrious and boon giving Siva, that Master of all the mobile and the immobile universe. In every new Yuga has Krishna (by such penances) gratified Mahadeva. In every Yuga has Mahadeva been gratified with the great devotion of the high-souled Krishna. How great is the puissance of the high-souled Mahadeva,–that original cause of the universe,–has been seen with his own eyes by Hari who himself transcends all deterioration, on the occasion of his penances in the retreat of Vadari undergone for obtaining a son. 2 I do not, O Bharata, behold any one that is superior to Mahadeva. To expound the names of that god of gods fully and without creating the desire of hearing more only Krishna is competent. This mighty-armed one of Yadu’s race is alone competent to tell the attributes of the illustrious Siva. Verily, O king, only he is able to discourse on the puissance, in its entirety of the Supreme deity?’

    niraj bhai, chiran ji may not like reading this.

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    1. smartboy. I am quite chiraan experienced. There are many things in KMG mb which chiraanji would not like to read. Bhimas encounter with nahusha topping the list of his dislikes. When did this conversation of bheesma took place. ? Because chiraan may say that bheeshma was under the possession of demons and hence what he says here cant be taken seriously. But if bheeshma has said this in his final message and conversation to yudhishthira on his arrow bed then this logic of demons possessing bheeshma stands nullified as here on Sri krishnas urging yudhishthira had gone to seek gyaan from bheeshma and by this time its clear he had come out of the demons posession.

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  24. “Bhishma said,

    A lion should always make a companion of a lion. If one that is not a lion becomes the companion of a lion, one earns all the advantages that belong to a lion. That lion, however who, while engaged in discharging the duties of a lion, has a pack of dogs only for his associates, never succeeds in consequence of such companionship, in accomplishing those duties. Even thus, O ruler of men, may a king succeed in subjugating the whole earth if he has for his ministers men possessed of courage, wisdom, great learning, and high birth.

    “Yudhishthira said, ‘All persons on earth, O foremost of men, applaud virtuous behaviour. I have, however, great doubts with respect to this object of their praise. If the topic be capable of being understood by us, O foremost of virtuous men, I desire to hear everything about the way in which virtuous behaviour can be acquired. How indeed, is that behaviour acquired, O Bharata! I desire to hear it. Tell me also, O foremost of speakers, what has been said to be the characteristics of that behaviour.’

    “Bhishma said, Formerly, O giver of honours, Duryodhana while burning with grief at sight of that well-known prosperity belonging to thee and thy brothers at Indraprastha and for the jeers he received in consequence of his mistakes at the grand mansion, had asked his father Dhritarashtra the same question. Listen to what transpired on that occasion, O Bharata! Having seen that grand mansion of thine and that high prosperity of which thou wert master, Duryodhana, while sitting before his father, spake of what he had seen to the latter. Having heard the words of Duryodhana, Dhritarashtra, addressing his son and Karna, replied unto him as follows.

    Dhritarashtra said, ‘Why dost thou grieve, O son! I desire to hear the cause in detail. If after ascertaining the reason they appear to be adequate, I shall then endeavour to instruct thee. O subjugator of hostile towns, thou too hast obtained great affluence. All thy brothers are ever obedient to thee, as also all thy friends and relatives. Thou coverest thy limbs with the best robes. Thou eatest the richest food. 1 Steeds of the best kind bear thee. Why then hast thou become pale and emaciated?’

    Duryodhana said, ‘Ten thousands of high-souled Snataka Brahmanas daily eat at Yudhishthira’s palace off plates of gold. Beholding his excellent mansion adorned with excellent flowers and fruit, his steeds of the Tittiri and the Kalmasha breeds, his robes of diverse kinds, indeed, beholding that high prosperity of my enemies viz., the sons of Pandu, a prosperity that resembles the high affluence of Vaisravana himself, I am burning with grief, O Bharata!’

    Dhritarashtra said, ‘If thou wishest, O sire, to win prosperity like that of Yudhishthira or that which is even superior to it, do thou then, O son, endeavour to be of virtuous behaviour. Without doubt, one may, by behaviour alone, conquer the three worlds. There is nothing impossible of attainment by persons of virtuous behaviour. Mandhatri conquered the whole world in course of only one night, Janamejaya, in course of three; and Nabhaga, in course of seven. All these kings were possessed of compassion and of virtuous behaviour. For this reason the earth came to them of their own accord, won over by their virtue.

    “Duryodhana said, ‘I desire to hear, O Bharata, how that behaviour may be acquired, that behaviour, viz., in consequence of which the earth was won so

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    speedily (by the kings named by thee).

    “‘Dhritarashtra said, ‘In this connection, the following old narrative is cited. It was formerly recited by Narada on the subject of virtuous behaviour. In days of yore, the Daitya Prahlada, by the merit of his behaviour, snatched from the high-souled Indra his sovereignty and reduced the three worlds to subjection.

    “Dhritarashtra continued, ‘Knowing all this truly, do thou, O son, be of good behaviour, if thou desirest to obtain prosperity greater than that of Yudhishthira.’

    “Bhishma continued, ‘Even this was what king Dhritarashtra said unto his son. Do thou act according, to these instructions, O son of Kunti, and thou wilt then surely obtain their fruit.'”

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    1. ‘Upon the completion of this discourse, Nakula who was an accomplished swordsman thus questioned the Kuru grandsire lying on his bed of arrows.’

      “Nakula said, ‘The bow, O grandsire, is regarded as the foremost of weapons in this world. My mind, however, inclines towards the sword, since when the bow, O king, is cut off or broken, when steeds are dead or weakened, a good warrior, well trained in the sword, can protect himself by means of his sword. 1 A hero armed with the sword can, single handed, withstand many bowmen, and many antagonists armed with maces and darts. I have this doubt, and I feel curious to know the truth. Which, O king, is really the foremost of weapons in all battles? How was the sword first created and for what purpose? Who also was the first preceptor in the weapon? Tell me all this, O grandsire.’

      “Vaisampayana continued, ‘Hearing these words of the intelligent son of Madri, the virtuous Bhishma, the complete master of the science of the bow, stretched upon his bed of arrows, made this answer fraught with many refined words of delightful import, melodious with vowels properly placed, and displaying considerable skill, unto the high-souled Nakula, that disciple of Drona, endued with skilful training.’

      “Bhishma said, ‘Hear the truth, O son of Madri, about what thou hast asked me. I am excited by this question of thine, like a hill of red-chalk. 2 In ancient times the universe was one vast expanse of water, motionless and skyless, and without this earth occupying any space in it. Enveloped in

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      darkness, and intangible, its aspect was exceedingly awful. Utter silence reigning all over, it was immeasurable in extent. In his own proper time the Grandsire (of the universe) took his birth. He then created the wind and fire, and the sun also of great energy. He also created the sky, the heavens, the nether regions, earth, the directions, the firmament with the moon and the stars, the constellations, the planets, the year, the seasons, the months, the two fortnights (lighted and dark) and the smaller divisions of time. The divine Grandsire then, assuming a visible form, begot (by power of his will) some sons possessed of great energy. They are the sages Marichi, Atri, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vasishtha, Angiras, and the mighty and puissant lord Rudra, and Prachetas. The last begat Daksha, who in his turn, begat sixty daughters. All those daughters were taken by regenerate sages for the object of begetting children upon them. From them sprang all the creatures of the universe, including the gods, Pitris, Gandharvas, Apsaras, diverse kinds of Rakshasas, birds and animals and fishes, monkeys, great snakes, and diverse species of fowl that range the air or sport on the water, and vegetables, and all beings that are oviparous or viviparous or born of filth. In this way the whole universe consisting of mobile and immobile creatures sprang into existence. The universal Grandsire, having thus evoked into existence all mobile and immobile creatures, then promulgated the eternal religion laid down in the Vedas. That religion was accepted by the gods, with their preceptors, priests, the Adityas, the Vasus, the Rudras, the Sadhyas, the Maruts, the Aswins, Bhrigu, Atri, Angiras, the Siddhas, Kasyapa rich in penances, Vasishtha, Gautama, Agastya, Narada, Parvata, the Valikhilya Rishis, those other Rishis known under the names of Prabhasas, the Sikatas, the Ghritapas, the Somavayavyas, the Vaiswanaras, Marichipas, the Akrishtas, the Hansas, those born of Fire, the Vanaprasthas, and the Prasnis. All of them lived in obedience to Brahman. The foremost of the Danavas, however, setting at night the commands of the Grandsire, and yielding to wrath and covetousness, began to cause the destruction of righteousness. They were Hiranyakasipu, and Hiranyaksha, and Virochana, and Samvara, and Viprachitti, and Prahlada, and Namuchi, and Vali. These and many other Daityas and Danavas, transcending all restraints of duty and religion, sported and took delight in all kinds of wicked acts. Regarding themselves equal in point of birth with the gods, they began to challenge them and the sages of pure behaviour. They never did any good to the other creatures of the universe or showed compassion for any of them. Disregarding the three well-known means, they began to persecute and afflict all creatures by wielding only the rod of chastisement. Indeed, those foremost of Asuras, filled with pride, forsook every friendly intercourse with other creatures. Then the divine Brahman, accompanied by the regenerate sages, proceeded to a delightful summit of Himavat, extending for a hundred Yojanas in area, adorned with diverse kinds of jewels and gems, and upon whose surface the stars seemed to rest like so many lotuses on a lake. On that prince of mountains, O sire, overgrown with forests of flowering trees, that foremost of the gods, viz., Brahman, stayed for some time for accomplishing the business of the world. After the lapse of a thousand years, the puissant

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      lord made arrangements for a grand sacrifice according to the ordinances laid down in the scriptures. The sacrificial altar became adorned with Rishis skilled in sacrifice and competent to perform all acts appertaining thereto, with faggots of sacrificial fuel, and with blazing fires. And it looked exceedingly beautiful in consequence of the sacrificial plates and vessels all made of gold. All the foremost ones among the gods took their seats on it. The platform was further adorned with Sadasyas all of whom were high regenerate Rishis. I have heard from the Rishis that soon something very awful occurred in that sacrifice. It is heard that a creature sprang (from the sacrificial fire) scattering the flames around him, and whose splendour equalled that of the Moon himself when he rises in the firmament spangled with stars. His complexion was dark like that of the petals of the blue lotus. His teeth were keen. His stomach was lean. His stature was tall. He seemed to be irresistible and possessed of exceeding energy. Upon the appearance of that being, the earth trembled. The Ocean became agitated with high billows and awful eddies. Meteors foreboding great disasters shot through the sky. The branches of trees began to fall down. All the points of the compass became unquiet. Inauspicious winds began to blow. All creatures began to quake with fear every moment. Beholding that awful agitation of the universe and that Being sprung from the sacrificial fire, the Grandsire said these words unto the great Rishis, the gods, and the Gandharvas. This Being was thought of by me. Possessed of great energy, his name is Asi (sword or scimitar). For the protection of the world and the destruction of the enemies of the gods, I have created him. That being then, abandoning the form he had first assumed, took the shape of a sword of great splendour, highly polished, sharp-edged, risen like the all-destructive Being at the end of the Yuga. Then Brahman made over that sharp weapon to the blue-throated Rudra who has for the device on his banner the foremost of bulls, for enabling him to put down irreligion and sin. At this, the divine Rudra of immeasurable soul, praised by the great Rishis, took up that sword and assumed a different shape. Putting forth four arms, he became so tall that though standing on the earth he touched the very sun with his head. With eyes turned upwards and with every limb extended wide, he began to vomit flames of fire from his mouth. Assuming diverse complexions such as blue and white and red, wearing a black deer-skin studded with stars of gold, he bore on his forehead a third eye that resembled the sun in splendour. His two other eyes, one of which was black and the other tawny, shone very brightly. The divine Mahadeva, the bearer of the Sula, the tearer of Bhaga’s eyes, taking up the sword whose splendour resembled that of the all-destructive Yuga fire, and wielding a large shield with three high bosses which looked like a mass of dark clouds adorned with flashes of lightning, began to perform diverse kinds of evolutions. Possessed of great prowess, he began to whirl the sword in the sky, desirous of an encounter. Loud were the roars he uttered, and awful the sound of his laughter. Indeed, O Bharata, the form then assumed by Rudra was exceedingly terrible. Hearing that Rudra had assumed that form for achieving fierce deeds, the Danavas, filled with joy, began to come towards him with great speed, showering huge

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      rocks upon him as they come, and blazing brands of wood, and diverse kinds of terrible weapons made of iron and each endued with the sharpness of a razor. The Danava host, however, beholding that foremost of all beings, the indestructible Rudra, swelling with might, became stupefied and began to tremble. Although Rudra was alone and single-handed, yet so quickly did he move on the field of battle with the sword in his arm that the Asuras thought there were a thousand similar Rudras battling with them. Tearing and piercing and afflicting and cutting and lopping off and grinding down, the great god moved with celerity among the thick masses of his foes like forest conflagration amid heaps of dry grass spread around. The mighty Asuras, broken by the god with the whirls of his sword, with arms and thighs and chests cut off and pierced, and with heads severed from their trunks, began to fall down on the earth. Others among the Danavas, afflicted with strokes of the sword, broke and fled in all directions, cheering one another as they fled. Some penetrated into the bowels of the earth; others got under the cover of mountains, Some went upwards; others entered the depths of the sea. During the progress of that dreadful and fierce battle, the earth became miry with flesh and blood and horrible sights presented themselves on every side. Strewn with the fallen bodies of Danavas covered with blood, the earth looked as if overspread with mountain summits overgrown with Kinsukas. Drenched with gore, the earth looked exceedingly beautiful, like a fair-complexioned lady intoxicated with alcohol and attired in crimson robes. Having slain the Danavas and re-established Righteousness on earth, the auspicious Rudra cast off his awful form and assumed his own beneficent shape. Then all the Rishis and all the celestials adored that god of gods with loud acclamations wishing him victory. The divine Rudra, after this, gave the sword, that protector of religion, dyed with the blood of Danavas, unto Vishnu with due adorations. Vishnu gave it unto Marichi. The divine Marichi gave it unto all the great Rishis. The latter gave it to Vasava. Vasava gave it to the Regents of the world. The Regents, O son, gave that large sword to Manu the son of Surya. At the time, of giving it unto Manu, they said, ‘Thou art the lord of all men. Protect all creatures with this sword containing religion within its womb. Duly meting out chastisement unto those that have transgressed the barriers of virtue for the sake of the body or the mind, they should be protected conformably to the ordinances but never according to caprice. Some should be punished with wordy rebukes, and with fines and forfeitures. Loss of limb or death should never be inflicted for slight reasons. These punishments, consisting of wordy rebukes as their first, are regarded as so many forms of the sword. These are the shapes that the sword assumes in consequence of the transgressions of persons under the protection (of the king). 1 In time Manu installed his own son Kshupa in the sovereignty of all creatures, and gave him the sword for their protection. From Kshupa it was taken by Ikshvaku, and from Ikshvaku by Pururavas. From Pururavas it was taken by Ayus, and from Ayus by Nahusha. From Nahusha it was taken by Yayati, and

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      from Yayati by Puru. From Puru it was taken by Amurtarya, From Amurtarya it descended to the royal Bhumisaya. From Bhumisaya it was taken by Dushmanta’s son Bharata. From Bharata, O monarch, it was taken by the righteous Ailavila. From Ailavila it was taken by king Dhundumara. From Dhundumara it was taken by Kamvoja, and from Kamvoja it was taken by Muchukunda, From Muchukunda it was taken by Marutta, and from Marutta by Raivata. From Raivata it was taken by Yuvanaswa, and from Yuvanaswa by Raghu. From Raghu it was taken by the valiant Harinaswa. From Harinaswa the sword was taken by Sunaka and from Sunaka by the righteous-souled Usinara. From the last it was taken by the Bhojas and the Yadavas. From the Yadus it was taken by Sivi. From Sivi it descended to Pratardana. From Pratardana it was received by Ashtaka, and from Ashtaka by Prishadaswa. From Prishadaswa it was received by Bharadwaja, and from the last by Drona. After Drona it was taken by Kripa. From Kripa that best of swords has been obtained by thee with thy brothers. The constellation under which the sword was born is Krittika. Agni is its deity, and Rohini is its Gotra. 1 Rudra is its high preceptor. The sword has eight names which are not generally known. Listen to me as I mention them to you. If one mentions these, O son of Pandu, one may always win victory. Those names then are Asi, Vaisasana, Khadga, sharp-edged, difficult of acquisition, Sirgarbha, victory, and protector of righteousness. Of all weapons, O son of Madravati, the sword is the foremost. The Puranas truly declare that it was first wielded by Mahadeva. As regards the bow, again, O chastiser of foes, it was Prithu who first created it. It was with the aid of this weapon that that son of Vena, while he governed the earth virtuously for many years, milked her of crops and grain in profusion. It behoveth thee, O son of Madri, to regard what the Rishis have said, as conclusive proof. All persons skilled in battle should worship the sword. I have now told thee truly the first portion of thy query, in detail, about the origin and creation of the sword, O bull of Bharata’s race! By listening to this excellent story of the origin of the sword, a man succeeds in winning fame in this world and eternal felicity in the next.'”

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  25. Dear Sanjay,

    Your statement-“The urgency of Pandavas was TOTALLY IMPROPER which even stopped Bhishma from doing anything to their benefit. I hope this urgency is mentioned in your favourite KMG..”

    My ans- Whatever is mentioned in KMG is for everyone to see…. And the fact from Vyas MB is that Bhishma did not utter a single word to stop Duryo from insulting the daughter-in-law of Kuruvansh(Draupadi)….. Hence this clearly downgrades the ethics of Bhishma….. So dont give the excuse of Yudi’s fault of gambling Draupadi… because what Yudi did was wrong but it does not bhishma any excuse to not to speak at Dyuta, as he was the senior most family member of Kurus, he should have atleast condemned the act of Duryo/Dusshashan by speaking something, even if could not stop it…… Atleast Vikarna was better than Bhishma, as he dared to show his disagreement & spoke out his thoughts….. But Bhishma was just enjoying the show…..

    And whatever EXCUSE you give to defend Bhishma here, still it wont change the fact & the black spot on the name of Bhishma here…..

    Your statement-“OMG! You have totally taken a turn of 360 degree by adding “dragging by hair” also to give different meaning to your fancies. I think we were discussing “DISROBING” and not her “INSULT”. Please give your clear cut reply whether Disrobing happened or not? Yes or No? We are not interested in ATTEMPT illusion of yours or Duryo NEVER ordered or Gandhari STOPPED it etc. since these are your speculations.”

    My ans- Isey kehte hai “Rai ka pahad banana”….. Sanjay bhai, i already gave you my opinion about Disrobing, so why are you asking me same thing again & again ?? since supernaturality is involved in Draupadi disrobing, so we can only speculate what could have actually happened at Dyuta…. And i could think of only 2 possibilities : EITHER Duryo never ordered to disrob Draupadi or Duryo ordered for disrobing & dushashan ATTEMPTED to disrob but stopped by Gandhari…. So i cant pick one scenario because i was not there to actually see what happened there, so dont ask me to pick one….. And if you are not interested in my speculations than why are you asking me my opinions ?? You are free to believe whatever you want to believe…..

    Your statement-“Having said that Aindrastra, agnyastra, vayuastra etc.. were used to create disturbances by invoking natural forces like air, water and fire with different levels of intensity. This could always result in death of some people due to confusion and lack of clarity etc. while fighting. If maharathi faced such confusion or lack of clarity what is the guarantee that he would not be killed?”

    My ans- Buddy, you are using too many IF’s & BUT’s here & these all are your speculations which are not supported by KMG….. Kindly read the exact details of effects of each celestial weapon of MB before attempting to speak about them baselessly…..

    Your statement-“Coming back to Naryanastra it was a comprehensive weapon i.e. it began consuming the set of people it was fired at which was Pandavas army. I hope you would treat Bhima as part of this army. If it was NO DANGER for Bhima or any other individual but was only for other humans called soldiers then why was Bhima asked to remain in his aukat which he obliged diligently without further nautanki??”

    My ans- Again the same IF’s & BUT’s….. There are many incidences in MB war, where a celestial weapon was fired & was not nullified by anyone, still it could not kill a Maharathi at whom it was aimed at….. E.g. Karna 2nd Bhargavastra was fired at Arjun only & Arjun could not nullify it & it killed only foot soldier & animals but Arjun was unharmed & Arjun did nothing to dodge it…..

    so your IF’s & BUT’s wont prove anything…..

    Your statement-“Your post suggests that a weapon which could kill army could not kill maharathi which defies any sense. A bomb, a bullet or a knife is fully capable to kill General as well as foot soldier. It is how and when it is used which will decide the result.”

    My ans- Again your ignorance is claerly evident here….. A knief can kill a foot soldier but the same knief cannot penetrate the 1 inch thick iron armour of a Maharathi, so can that Maharathi be pierced in stomach with that knief ??

    During Bhishma killing, Shikhandi’s arrows could not pierce Bhishma armour But only powerful arrows of Arjun piered Bhishma’s armour….. can you see the importance of armour of a Maharathi here ?? We didnt even see a Maharathi getting serioruly injured by a celestial weapon(except Vasavi), leave alone killing the Maharathi, Reason – inability of celestial weapons to pierce Maharathis armour….

    Your statement-“It is useless to argue with you on what example I am asking for because you are still quoting some guerilla warfare. If you cannot show specific example of one fighting in a chariot & defeating whole army then how can we buy your views on Virat war feat which is just ONE case across all realms of history on mankind?”

    My ans- I guess it’s useless to explain you any further on this topic…. You are saying that if i give you an example of one man fighting on Chariot & defeating whole army, then only you will believe in Viraat war….. OK by this logic, can you give me one single example in recent history where a Swayamwar of a Princess was carried out by inviting all the kings of India(Just like Draupdi Swayamwar) & putting a condition to lift the heavy Bow & shoot the eye of the fish….. If you dont give me this example from recent history, then it will proved that Draupdi Swayamwar was a supernatural event… Similalry, Ashwamedh Yagya/Rajusya Yagya etc are Supernatural events as there is no example of such Yagyas in recent history…… so whole MB story was a supernatural event, as such story never happened in our recent history…… So Sanjay buddy, by your persistance of asking for illogical proofs & examples, it proves that whole MB story is Supernatural….. GOT MY POINT HERE ??

    I know why you are asking such illogical questions, because you havent been able to prove any of the Real Superanatural events which cant be explained by science, that is why you are acting as a sour loser & taking a dig at Practical events of MB(like Viraaat war) which has no description in it which cant be explained by science……

    Your statement-“Can your science explain how a single person can make the whole army except one person spell bound (lose senses) by blowing his conch?”

    My ans- Yes, science can explain this…. High frequency sounds can temporarily make a person dizzy & unconcious…. And whoever has the training of countering such high frequency sounds, he can counter that high frequency sound(like Bhishma)……

    Your statement-“Can your science explain the existence of celestial weapons during MB? Can your science explain Bhishma at that age fighting such demanding war? Can your science explain why does everything have age? Can your science explain why all individuals are different? Can your science explain what is beyond our universe? Can your science explain why could you not live Amitabh Bachchan’s life? So my dear friend, please come out of your obsession with science. There are many more things which your science does not know forget about explaining them.”

    My ans- You are speaking like Ram-dev baba here…. Can your spiritual science explain all this ?? If yes, then give us the proof… i would like to see you explaination…..

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    1. the science has only come up with theories so far.

      what was the life span of dinosaurs, you will get more than 20 theories for that.

      and many more.

      science has not been able to generate life nor is able to build a planet .

      yes Bhisma was a pervert. everyone was except arjuna who gave a new definition to ascetic life by marrying many women .

      what situation forced arjuna to remain silent in the dice game?

      cant that situation forced bhisma also.

      every one was sinner , sachins Arjuna who was a gadha for him was the holiness.

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    2. Dear Sachin mere ENGLISH dost!

      Everybody sees what is written in your favourite KMG except YOU. NOBODY including Pandavas uttered a word on Draupadi disrobing is a fact from your favourite KMG. Bhishma also did not pull Pandavas ears when their lust resulted in marrying a single woman against dharma! Does this mean he favoured Pandavas also???

      You have still not answered the main question – Did disrobing happen or not? You cannot pick one scenario because you yourself have created more than one scenario. So the onus is on you to confirm your pick.

      Using IF’s and BUT’s is not your monopoly while speculating. If you find my assessment as speculation I eagerly wait for your understanding of celestial weapons. Let me also see how far you can explain them. A very simple question to start with – why was Bhima asked to behave properly in front of Narayanastra?

      Were only maharathis entitled to wear an armour and not soldiers? Read my post again it says “how and when to use” will decide the result. So the fact of the matter is if weapon is fired at maharathi or soldier it is capable of killing both. The key is USE. If the user delivers some fault or lacks potency or technique the result will be different. Arjun cut off Karna’s head inspite of Karna wearing an armour. So it was the USE of weapon and technique of Arjun hitting at suitable part to make a kill. Chalo forget everything please tell me if a so-called celestial weapon could not pierce an armour of a maharthi what was celestial (special) about it? Do you want to say only Vasavi could kill maharathi of all celestial weapons? None out of Pashupat, Brahamstra, narayanastra etc…could kill maharathi? Were they celestial weapons or Chinese maal for which Arjun wandered here and there? Yaar, it is the simple thing to understand all weapons have the capability but if no kill could be made for various reasons than it does not negate the capability of the weapon.

      Of course you have to give such example which defies all practical logic and possibilities where one man who did not practice weapon wielding for one whole year suddenly comes out on a single chariot driven by a young inexperienced boy and kills thousands of soldiers and makes his trainers, rivals and adversaries retreat back without getting a scratch himself. Not only that on second attempt he makes them unconscious by blowing his conch and then collects their clothes as momentos. Inspite of doing such brave act he needs motivational lecture to repeat the feat which he could never..….In modern history princess Samyukta was having her swayamwar which had almost similar feat to be accomplished when Prithviraj abducted her. Yagas were the society norms of certain era which vanished as the time progressed. Going by the same logic I may also question why no guns were used in MB war since you have been saying that the missiles were fired?? To me nothing is supernatural and impractical in MB but to you and this is why you keep asking for the proof from our modern day history. I am doing the same. What is wrong in that?

      Just few days back I gave you ENGLISH proof from Discovery channel…then I again proved my point from Ancient Aliens episode on 10th June at 4:08pm but alas your ENGLISH thinking never understands INDIAN spirituality (seen in the past also) so it is better we save each other’s time. Okay I surrender. I cannot prove anything but now you explain why does everything have age? How Bhishma fought war at that age? Why all individuals are different? What is beyond our universe? Why are you not living Amitabh Bachchan’s life? Mind you, in the absence of your explanations you will be called sour looser. So get the answers…

      High frequency sound can make a person dizzy & unconscious but not the whole army consisting of thousands of people. Going by your explanation soldiers in modern day wars must be lying unconscious. I hope you know what level of sound does a bomb explosion release. Further people living near airports would have sleeping all their lives as per your explanation…or are they given Bhishma like training to counter that affect? Please do not give desperate answers to make all of us laugh.

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  26. Dear Sanjay,

    Your statement-“Disrobing instructions were given post Vikarana’s dialogues and not prior to that to which Pandavas responded urgently. If husbands are obeying by volunteering themselves do you really think Grandfather had the opportunity to interrupt? Did same Grandfather interrupt when the game started between cousins? If Pandavas slavery is the reason for allowing their wife’s disrobing then why cann’t Bhishma’s silence be attributed to Rajyasabha discipline in the presence of king?”

    My ans- Improper reasoning…. Your explaination does not defend Bhishma in any which way…. It only shows the favour of bhishma for Duryo’s action at Dyuta…

    Your statement-“Please quote at least one single sentence from your favourite KMG which says that Shakuni travelled from Gandhara to Hastinapur or vice versa to support your practical thinking.”

    My ans- Again the same impractical point….. Let me ask you your counter question- Please quote at least one single sentence from KMG which says that Shakuni always stayed in Hastinapur, as you are the one who claimed it in your last post…..

    Your statement-“Whether Duryo NEVER ordered or Gandhari STOPPED it, in either case it means vastra-haran did not happen. So the chance of Arjun avenging the same does not arise at all. Thus your effort of supporting memento collection becomes invalid. In the same light Smarty’s questioning of Virat war’s authenticity becomes very much valid.”

    My ans- ha..ha…ha…. Sanjay, wheverever I claime something “ABC”, then you have the habit of understanding it as “XYZ”….. FYI, as per KMG, the vastra-haran actually did not happen at Dyuta, because “lord” Krishna supplied the Saree to Draupadi, but only “Attempt to Disrob” happedned at Dyuta, & I was talking about this attempt only….. I had meant that EITHER Duryo never ordered to disrob Draupdi or the ATTEMPT of disrobing might have been stopped by Gandhari only….. But the INSULT OF Draupdi still happened at Dyuta & I had said that Arjun took revenge of Draupadi’s insult(Dragging her by hair + attempted Disrobing or not) at Dyuta by disrobing every one at Viraat……. I dont know why you are finding it so difficult to understand…??

    Your statement-“If none of the maharathi was killed does it mean that same could never have been the result? As per your favourite KMG it started consuming the armies of Pandavas and if challenge of Bhima would have continued then probably he would have been the first casualty.”

    My ans- Your IF’s & BUT’s wont prove your point….. If you want to prove that Narayanastra could have killed a Maharathi, then show me line from MB, where Narayanastra actually killed a Maharathi…. Otherwise your claim is refuted…..

    Your statement-“Or are you of the opinion that this was the weapon which could kill only soldiers but not maharathi? Arre bhai weapon to weapon hi hai na jaan hi lega ya naach-gaa ke waapis chala jayega???”

    My ans- Your ignorance is clearly evident here….. Celestial weapons like Brahmastra/Mahendrastra/Vaishnavastra/Bhargavastra etc were fired multiple time during MB war, still they killed only foot soldiers but they could not kill any Maharathi…… If you claim that Karna’s Vasavi could have killed any Maharathi, then i would have accepted your claim because it is backed by the fact that it killed a Maharathi-Ghatotkach…..

    Brahmastra/Mahendrastra/Vaishnavastra/Bhargavastra to fire karne ke baad aaye aur kuch foot soldiers ko maara aur fir NAACH-GAA KE WAAPIS CHALE GAYE….. So your funny claim “weapon to weapon hi hai” is rubbished here….. Killing a strong armoured Maharathi was a “Tedi Kheer” even for a celestial weapon, which your ignorance has not acknowledged yet…. so buddy read Vyas MB & then claim anything…..

    Regarding Viraat war, my point was that the example of “Paramveer Chakra” award winners is sufficient to prove the fact that one man alone can produce significant impact on a war….. I dont need to show you a specific example of one fighting in a Chariot & defeating whole army…… Is there any supernatural description in Viraat war which science cannot explain ??

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    1. genius syndrome and ignorance at his height.

      Your ignorance is clearly evident here….. Celestial weapons like Brahmastra/Mahendrastra/Vaishnavastra/Bhargavastra etc were fired multiple time during MB war, still they killed only foot soldiers but they could not kill any Maharathi…… If you claim that Karna’s Vasavi could have killed any Maharathi, then i would have accepted your claim because it is backed by the fact that it killed a Maharathi-Ghatotkach…..

      sachin why dont you talk in front of a mirror, becs only one who can understand your logic is you only.

      you mean to say none of Indra’s weapon was capable of killing Maharathis except vasava shakti.

      so why did Arjuna go to Devlok then.

      to collect weapons to kill ordinary soldiers.

      or spent a luxurious life at devlok abandoning the rest of Pandavas?

      Vasava Shakti was meant to kill one person only such was the boon .

      again coming up to show how genius a person can get.

      Improper reasoning…. Your explaination does not defend Bhishma in any which way…. It only shows the favour of bhishma for Duryo’s action at Dyuta…

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      i have posted how nervous, bhisma, drona and Kripa were before the match.

      ”When the play commenced, all those kings with Dhritarashtra at their head took their seats in that assembly. And, O Bharata, Bhishma and Drona and Kripa and the high-souled Vidura with cheerless hearts sat behind.

      now why the genius sachin is finding difficult to accept this lines. what glorification or supernatural event is here.

      this guy sachin has totally made fun of entire KMG MB and shamelessly tries to comment on BR Chopra’s MB.

      he never debates on pandavas ethics.

      why yudi continued playing the game, he was cautioned by sakuni in advance.

      that means yudi too wanted to capture hastinpaura’s kingdom without any war?

      like duryodhana he too was kingdom hungry?

      Sachin and Anand just read this lines, when bhisma was brought down , bhimsen felt no pain.

      so your theory that bhimsen becs of affection did not fight with Bhisma is dismissed totally. Bhimsen was a character who had no emotion for anyone other than the pandavas. He thumped king Vahlika’s head into pieces.

      he shouldn’t be blamed for that as he followed Khastriya rules.

      but he being sympathetic for old bhisma is unacceptable.

      All of them stood in shame, hanging down their heads. The Pandavas, on the other hand, having, won the victory, stood at the head of their ranks. And they all blew their large conchs decked with gold. And when in consequence of their joys thousands of trumpets, O sinless one, were blown there, WE BEHELD O MONARCH, THE MIGHTY BHIMASENA, THE SON OF KUNTI, SPORTING IN GREAT GLEE, HAVING QUICKLY SLAIN MANY HOSTILE WARRIORS ENDUED WITH GREAT STRENGTH. AND A GREAT SWOON OVERTOOK ALL THE KURUS. And Karna and Duryodhana repeatedly drew long breaths.

      Sachin and Anand,

      what is your explanation about this thing.

      . And Karna and Duryodhana repeatedly drew long breaths.

      where was karna present in the battlefield? to know immediately the event of bhisma’ fall.

      Except Santanu’s son Bhishma of great energy and firmly devoted to righteousness, possessed of heroism and having virtue for the only object of his pursuit, we have never heard of any other person in the three worlds that could, by his ascetic power, though lying on a bed of arrows and at the point of death, still have such a complete mastery over death (as to keep it thus at bay). We have never heard of anybody else that was so devoted to truth, to penances, to gifts, to the performances of sacrifices, to the science of arms, to the Vedas, and to the protection of persons soliciting protection, and that was so harmless to all creatures, so pure in behaviour, so self-restrained, and so bent upon the good of all creatures, and that was also so great a car-warrior as thee. Without doubt, thou art competent to subjugate, on a single car, the gods, Gandharvas, Asuras, Yakshas, and Rakshasas. O mighty-armed Bhishma, thou art always spoken of by the Brahmanas as the ninth of the Vasus. By thy virtues, however, thou hast surpassed them all and art equal unto Vasava himself. I know, O best of persons, that thou art celebrated for thy prowess, O foremost of beings, among even the very gods. Among men on earth, O foremost of men, we have never seen nor heard of any one possessed of such attributes as thee. O thou of the royal order, thou surpassest the gods themselves in respect of every attribute. By thy ascetic power thou canst create a universe of mobile and immobile creatures. What need then be said of thy having acquired many blessed regions by means of thy foremost of virtues? Dispel now the grief of the eldest son of Panda who is burning with sorrow on account of the slaughter of his kinsmen. All the duties that have been declared in respect of the four orders about the four modes of life are well known to thee. Everything again that is indicated in the four branches of knowledge, in the four Hotras, O Bharata, as also those eternal duties that are laid down in Yoga and Sankhya philosophy, the duties too of the four orders and these duties that are not inconsistent with their declared practices,–all these, along with their interpretations, O son of Ganga, are known to thee. The duties that have been laid down for those sprang from an intermixture of the four orders and those laid down for particular countries and tribes and families, and those declared by the Vedas and by men of wisdom, are all well known to thee. The subjects of histories and the Puranas are all known to thee. All the scriptures treating of duty and practice dwell in thy mind. Save thee, O bull among men, there is
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      no other person that can remove the doubts that may arise in respect of those subjects of knowledge that are studied in the world. With the aid of thy intelligence, do thou, O prince of men, drive the sorrow felt by the son of Pandu. Persons possessed of so great and such varied knowledge live only for comforting men whose minds have been stupefied.’
      “Vaisampayana said, ‘Hearing those words of Vasudeva of great intelligence, Bhishma, raising his head a little, said these words with joined hands.’

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    2. Dear Sachin,

      On Bhishma’s predicament-

      I must confess that I agree with your answer to my post on Bhishma i.e. Improper reasoning….The urgency of Pandavas was TOTALLY IMPROPER which even stopped Bhishma from doing anything to their benefit. I hope this urgency is mentioned in your favourite KMG..

      On Shakuni living where-

      Neither you have the lines nor do I have but I have reason for my conclusion. If you are always conspiring sitting in Hastinapur, if you are the part of infamous coterie of four characters, if you are hell bent on making Duryo the king of Hastinapur by removing all challenges and are found standing with him during all key events, if your story is confined to your presence in Hastinapur only but not in your own country, which mind with fraction of intelligence would say that Shakuni spent his life in Gandhar? It clearly confirms that more than 50% of his life was spent in Hastinapur. I sincerely hope that these facts from your favourite KMG appeals to your ENGLISH thinking

      On Disrobing-

      OMG! You have totally taken a turn of 360 degree by adding “dragging by hair” also to give different meaning to your fancies. I think we were discussing “DISROBING” and not her “INSULT”. Please give your clear cut reply whether Disrobing happened or not? Yes or No? We are not interested in ATTEMPT illusion of yours or Duryo NEVER ordered or Gandhari STOPPED it etc. since these are your speculations.

      On your weapon knowledge-

      I am sure you will agree with me that every weapon is fired with an aim. This aim can be one soldier or group of soldiers or a maharathi. Right? At least celestial (hard-earned) weapons would require this much COMMON-SENSE before firing them. Obviously responsible maharathis were not firing all these weapons to celebrate Diwali or to give lighting affect. This means some were fired by aiming at opposing army and some were aimed at an individual. If some weapon was fired at army it does not mean it will become impotent if it hits an individuaal. Isi liye I said that weapon is a weapon and it is there to kill (damage).

      Having said that Aindrastra, agnyastra, vayuastra etc.. were used to create disturbances by invoking natural forces like air, water and fire with different levels of intensity. This could always result in death of some people due to confusion and lack of clarity etc. while fighting. If maharathi faced such confusion or lack of clarity what is the guarantee that he would not be killed? To avoid such embarrassment for maharathis the knowledge of all weapons and their proper use with good chariot and charioteer was very important. A maharathi standing at optimum height (within chariot) could watch the weapon and its impact and could always use counter-weapon. For example fire can be extinguished by water…

      Coming back to Naryanastra it was a comprehensive weapon i.e. it began consuming the set of people it was fired at which was Pandavas army. I hope you would treat Bhima as part of this army. If it was NO DANGER for Bhima or any other individual but was only for other humans called soldiers then why was Bhima asked to remain in his aukat which he obliged diligently without further nautanki?? Or is your intelligence pushing you to a point where the weapon would have consumed whole Pandavas army but left Famous Five untouched so that they could fight the war alone without their army disturbing them? For the sake of his army (including all individuals) Bhima’s retaliation was to be contained. Well what was the link between his behavior and the intensity of astra could be a challenge (supernatural) for you hence I will not raise that point!

      Your post suggests that a weapon which could kill army could not kill maharathi which defies any sense. A bomb, a bullet or a knife is fully capable to kill General as well as foot soldier. It is how and when it is used which will decide the result.

      On your One manship rhetoric-

      It is useless to argue with you on what example I am asking for because you are still quoting some guerilla warfare. If you cannot show specific example of one fighting in a chariot & defeating whole army then how can we buy your views on Virat war feat which is just ONE case across all realms of history on mankind?

      Can your science explain how a single person can make the whole army except one person spell bound (lose senses) by blowing his conch? Can your science explain the existence of celestial weapons during MB? Can your science explain Bhishma at that age fighting such demanding war? Can your science explain why does everything have age? Can your science explain why all individuals are different? Can your science explain what is beyond our universe? Can your science explain why could you not live Amitabh Bachchan’s life? So my dear friend, please come out of your obsession with science. There are many more things which your science does not know forget about explaining them.

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  27. guys read this,”Sakuni said,–‘O Yudhishthira, it is from a desire of winning, which is not a very honest motive, that one high-born person approacheth another (in a contest of race superiority). So also it is from a desire of defeating, which is not a very honest motive, that one learned person approacheth another (in a contest of learning). Such motives, however, are scarcely regarded as really dishonest. So also, O Yudhishthira, a person skilled at dice approacheth one that is not so skilled from a desire of vanquishing him. One also who is conversant with the truths of science approacheth another that is not from desire of victory, which is scarcely an honest motive. But (as I have already said) such a motive is not really dishonest. And, O Yudhishthira, so also one that is skilled in weapons approacheth one that is not so skilled; the strong approacheth the weak. This is the practice in every contest. The motive is victory, O Yudhishthira. If, therefore, thou, in approaching me, regardest me to be actuated by motives that are dishonest, if thou art under any fear, desist then from play.’

    “Yudhishthira said,–‘Summoned, I do not withdraw. This is my established vow. And, O king, Fate is all powerful. We all are under the control of Destiny. With whom in this assembly am I to play? Who is there that can stake equally with me? Let the play begin.’

    “Duryodhana said,–‘O monarch, I shall supply jewels and gems and every kind of wealth. And it is for me that this Sakuni, my uncle, will play.’

    “Yudhishthira said,–‘Gambling for one’s sake by the agency of another seemeth to me to be contrary to rule. Thou also, O learned one, will admit this. If, however, thou art still bent on it, let the play begin.'”

    Vaisampayana said,–“When the play commenced, all those kings with Dhritarashtra at their head took their seats in that assembly. And, O Bharata, Bhishma and Drona and Kripa and the high-souled Vidura with cheerless hearts sat behind.

    -‘When the intelligent king Yudhishthira the just has spoken thus,–‘Fie!’ ‘Fie!’ were the words that were uttered by all the aged persons that were in the assembly. And the whole conclave was agitated, and the kings who were present there all gave way to grief. And Bhishma and Drona and Kripa were covered with perspiration.

    And Vidura holding his head between his hands sat like one that had lost his reason. He sat with face downwards giving way to his reflections and sighing like a snake. But Dhritarashtra glad, at heart, asked repeatedly,

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    [paragraph continues] ‘Hath the stake been won?’ ‘Hath the stake been won?’ and could not conceal his emotions. Karna with Dussassana and others laughed aloud, while tears began to flow from the eyes of all other present in the assembly. And the son of Suvala, proud of success and flurried with excitement and repeating. Thou hast one stake, dear to thee, etc. said,–‘Lo! I have won’ and took up the dice that had been cast.”

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  28. Dear Sanjay,

    Your statement-“If Bhishma enjoyed disrobing so did Pandavas. I had given quotes from your favourite KMG confirming that Pandavas were the first one to disrobe themselves on orders of Duryo forget about saving or even questioning their wife’s disrobing.”

    My ans- I never defended the act of Pandavas at Dyuta…. Yes, Yudi did wrong at Duyta by staking Draupdi & 5 Pandavas…. Now after become the slaves of Duryo, how can you expect Pandavas to save the honor of Draupadi by interfering in Vastra-haran ?? It would have meant that Pandavas are acting as sour losers by refusing Duryo’s slavery & resisiting Duryo’s orders….. But, Bhishma had no such restrictions & he was free to speake his heart out, as he was the grandfather of Duryo as well….. I know the powers were at the hands of king Dhritrashtra, but Bhishma didnt even attempted to speak at Dice hall against disrobing, just like Vikarna did…. What do you say to this behaviour of Bhishma ?? This clealry shows that Bhishma wanted the disrobing to happen….

    Your statement-“Shakuni stayed all his life out of Gandhar without giving damn to his population inspite of being a king. How can he be better than Bhishma who was never a King? Please explain.”

    My ans- Sanjay, you have the habit of thinking non-practically always….. Who said that Shakuni stayed all his life in Hastinapur ?? Just like Yudi used to summon Krishna to take his advice in important political decisions, similarly Duryo/Dhritrastra might have summoned Shakuni in taking advice in important political decisions…… And MB is a story of important political events of MB only… so naturally we see Shakuni’s presence at Hastinapur during those times…… But did you see Shakuni in Viraat war/Gandharva war ?? Nope…. So your claim is baseless…..

    Your statement-“But I think you were the only one who said that Draupadi vastra-haran NEVER happened. So please confirm which one do you believe actually happened – Draupadi’s disrobing or Warriors disrobing??”

    My ans- Buddy, i had said that the supernatural event of Krishna supplying Saree to draupdi via air is not believable & i had said that EITHER Duryo never ordered to disrob Draupdi or the disrobing might have been stopped by Gandhari only But still Draupdi was insulted as she was brought to dice hall by dragging her with her hair……

    So by my previous statement, i had meant that Arjun took revenge of Draupadi’s insult(attempted Disrobing or not) at Dyuta by disrobing every one at Viraat……

    And since there is nothing supernatural in Duryo attempting to disrob Draupadi in dice hall(which might have been stopped by Gandhari), so i cannot refute this possibilty totally…….

    Your statement-“what is the basis of your conclusion? Was this a weapon or documentary running for sometime? If it would not have any affect then why the hell Bhima was asked to return to his aukat and stopping jumping like monkeys in front of it?”

    My ans- OK, let me ask you your counter question- On what basis you claim that narayanastra could have killed any Maharathi ?? This will be prove only if it had indeed killed any Mahrathi in mB war…. But the fact is that it didnt kill any Maharathi…..

    Your statement-“I do not think anybody has doubted Virat war for supernaturality but for its possibility as one man-ship. You have not been able to give any such proof from our 2000 years old recorded history till date.”

    My ans- Buddy, this has been discussed previously as well… And i have given valid examples of “Paramveer Chakra” award winners….. And since you then asked me a rubbish question to “give a specific example of one warrior fighting in Chariot & defeating whole army in documented 2000 year old calender”, so let me tell you one thing, in our documented history, no war took place in which Chariots were used by warriors, so does it prove that whole MB war is a supernatural event, because in it those Chariots were used which we never heard of in recent history ??

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    1. What a strange coincidence that only 3 S’s are running this blog these days!
      Smarty, Sachin and Sanjay…ha..haha….hahahahaha!

      Dear Sachin,

      Your statement-”If Bhishma enjoyed disrobing so did Pandavas. I had given quotes from your favourite KMG confirming that Pandavas were the first one to disrobe themselves on orders of Duryo forget about saving or even questioning their wife’s disrobing.”

      My ans- I never defended the act of Pandavas at Dyuta…. Yes, Yudi did wrong at Duyta by staking Draupdi & 5 Pandavas…. Now after become the slaves of Duryo, how can you expect Pandavas to save the honor of Draupadi by interfering in Vastra-haran ?? It would have meant that Pandavas are acting as sour losers by refusing Duryo’s slavery & resisiting Duryo’s orders….. But, Bhishma had no such restrictions & he was free to speake his heart out, as he was the grandfather of Duryo as well….. I know the powers were at the hands of king Dhritrashtra, but Bhishma didnt even attempted to speak at Dice hall against disrobing, just like Vikarna did…. What do you say to this behaviour of Bhishma ?? This clealry shows that Bhishma wanted the disrobing to happen….

      My reply – Disrobing instructions were given post Vikarana’s dialogues and not prior to that to which Pandavas responded urgently. If husbands are obeying by volunteering themselves do you really think Grandfather had the opportunity to interrupt? Did same Grandfather interrupt when the game started between cousins? If Pandavas slavery is the reason for allowing their wife’s disrobing then why cann’t Bhishma’s silence be attributed to Rajyasabha discipline in the presence of king? Slaves can vow to kill their masters but not stop their wife’s disrobing??? You are getting funny now!
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      Your statement-”Shakuni stayed all his life out of Gandhar without giving damn to his population inspite of being a king. How can he be better than Bhishma who was never a King? Please explain.”

      My ans- Sanjay, you have the habit of thinking non-practically always….. Who said that Shakuni stayed all his life in Hastinapur ?? Just like Yudi used to summon Krishna to take his advice in important political decisions, similarly Duryo/Dhritrastra might have summoned Shakuni in taking advice in important political decisions…… And MB is a story of important political events of MB only… so naturally we see Shakuni’s presence at Hastinapur during those times…… But did you see Shakuni in Viraat war/Gandharva war ?? Nope…. So your claim is baseless…..

      My reply – Please quote at least one single sentence from your favourite KMG which says that Shakuni travelled from Gandhara to Hastinapur or vice versa to support your practical thinking. There are still few mentions in your favourite KMG that Krishna used to shunt between Dwarika and Hastinapur / Indraprastha but not for Shakuni. Virat and Gandharava wars were Duryo’s personal agendas and Shakuni also used to avoid wars. I do not know if you are aware that there is a saying which says that brother should never be allowed to stay (for long / life) in his sister’s sasural thanks to Shakuni.
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      Your statement-”But I think you were the only one who said that Draupadi vastra-haran NEVER happened. So please confirm which one do you believe actually happened – Draupadi’s disrobing or Warriors disrobing??”

      My ans- Buddy, i had said that the supernatural event of Krishna supplying Saree to draupdi via air is not believable & i had said that EITHER Duryo never ordered to disrob Draupdi or the disrobing might have been stopped by Gandhari only But still Draupdi was insulted as she was brought to dice hall by dragging her with her hair……So by my previous statement, i had meant that Arjun took revenge of Draupadi’s insult(attempted Disrobing or not) at Dyuta by disrobing every one at Viraat……And since there is nothing supernatural in Duryo attempting to disrob Draupadi in dice hall(which might have been stopped by Gandhari), so i cannot refute this possibilty totally…….

      My reply – Whether Duryo NEVER ordered or Gandhari STOPPED it, in either case it means vastra-haran did not happen. So the chance of Arjun avenging the same does not arise at all. Thus your effort of supporting memento collection becomes invalid. In the same light Smarty’s questioning of Virat war’s authenticity becomes very much valid.
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      Your statement-”what is the basis of your conclusion? Was this a weapon or documentary running for sometime? If it would not have any affect then why the hell Bhima was asked to return to his aukat and stopping jumping like monkeys in front of it?”

      My ans- OK, let me ask you your counter question- On what basis you claim that narayanastra could have killed any Maharathi ?? This will be prove only if it had indeed killed any Mahrathi in mB war…. But the fact is that it didnt kill any Maharathi…..

      My reply – If none of the maharathi was killed does it mean that same could never have been the result? As per your favourite KMG it started consuming the armies of Pandavas and if challenge of Bhima would have continued then probably he would have been the first casualty. Krishna should be thanked to save his life. Or are you of the opinion that this was the weapon which could kill only soldiers but not maharathi? Arre bhai weapon to weapon hi hai na jaan hi lega ya naach-gaa ke waapis chala jayega???
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      Your statement-”I do not think anybody has doubted Virat war for supernaturality but for its possibility as one man-ship. You have not been able to give any such proof from our 2000 years old recorded history till date.”

      My ans- Buddy, this has been discussed previously as well… And i have given valid examples of “Paramveer Chakra” award winners….. And since you then asked me a rubbish question to “give a specific example of one warrior fighting in Chariot & defeating whole army in documented 2000 year old calender”, so let me tell you one thing, in our documented history, no war took place in which Chariots were used by warriors, so does it prove that whole MB war is a supernatural event, because in it those Chariots were used which we never heard of in recent history??

      My reply – you gave example of Hamid Ali which was negated because he fought Guerilla war and not face to face. Are you not aware how Guptas and other dynasties of those times used to fight? Mesopotamians, Sumerians, Romans, Greeks all had chariots in wars…what are you talking man?? It is after the use of gunpowder that Mughals brought with them that use of chariots declined and guerilla warfare emerged….Movie Jodha Akbar also shows use of bows and arrows and swords and spears etc. along with guns….

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  29. @ Smarty,

    Your freakyness has reached its terminal stage….. I know Arjun’s achievements & Bhishma/Karna/Krishna’s failures have freaked you out, but buddy no one change the facts for you…. So my humble sympathies for you…. Ha…ha….ha…ha…

    And regarding the status of Pandavas, let me give you one recent example of present times:

    2 days back on 10th June, look what the Congress leader Mallikarjun Kharge said in the Parliament- He said-“EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SMALL IN NUMBER (i.e. 44), STILL WE ARE LIKE ‘PANDAVAS’…. SO WE CAN’T BE DEFEATED”

    By this statement, Mallikarjun Kharge meant that BJP’s 300+ MP’s cannot defeat or intimidate 44 MP’s of Congress in Lok-sabha proceedings…..

    Now this is what i meant by the STATUS of Pandavas & Arjun….. There dominance is still famous till date after 5000 years…..

    Have you ever heard an example where people gave examples of Brilliances of Karna/Krishna/Bhishma ?? Offcourse not, because there isnt any…… & people wont give example like- Modi saying to Pakistan that I will run away from India if you attack India, just like Krishna RAN AWAY from Jarasandh or Karna ran away from Gandharva war….. Or Just before India vs Pak cricket match, Tendulkar saying to Indian cricket team that he cannot play from Indian team but he will play from Pakistan team, even though he supports Team India, just like Bhishma was supporting Pandavas in MB war but sided with Kauravas, & he has pledged to score a century in that match, just like Bhishma had pledged to kill Pandavas on day 9…….

    Krishna’s “RANCHHOD-DAS” name is still famous, because people are not that stupid to ignore this fact…..

    This shows that even common people of India understands the capabilities & dominance of Pandavas(& Arjun) & weaknesses of Kauravas except few extremists(like Kaurava lovers) & few people with blunted understandings(like You)……

    So be happy in your dreamy world of fakeness……

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    1. ha ha ha ha,

      we want to say bhisma, drona karna are infamous?

      they are not celebrated?

      they are not respected?

      buddy face the truth and you know it very well.

      pandavas were powerful than kauravas, even kauravas knew that.

      we cannot blame the kauravas,

      kauravas were human like us, they fought with utmost capabilities that a human can do.

      Pandavas were devas, them defeating or overpowering humans is not surprising.

      Karna , Bhisma had genes of devas.

      why Yudi could not pause at a particular stage where the dice was no longer a match.

      it proves that he wanted his lost thing back at any cost.

      Krishna might have run away but he protected his citizens, can you post where the lives of his citizens were under the mercy of Jarashandha.

      Krishna might have run away but he constructed a fort like great wall of china that nobody could think of conquering it.

      it shows the weaknesses of Krishna, ha ha ha ha.

      so let me tell you one thing, in our documented history, no war took place in which Chariots were used by warriors, so does it prove that whole MB war is a supernatural event, because in it those Chariots were used which we never heard of in recent history ??

      sanjay just read what sachin is saying.

      that is what both sanjay and me was saying, MB is the creation of an poet .

      only in MB we have read one warrior killing an elephant.

      when the greatest and most cerebrated warrior Alexander bit dust .

      every narration of MB involves supernatural factor.

      man over age of 100 fighting and defeating younger warriors. is it possible?

      Man lifting elephant.

      Man killing 1000 of soldiers with just one arrow.

      Man surviving after his body have been pierced by 1000 of arrows.

      Man fighting everyday after he is so badly injured.

      “Sakuni said,–‘O Yudhishthira, it is from a desire of winning, which is not a very honest motive, that one high-born person approacheth another (in a contest of race superiority). So also it is from a desire of defeating, which is not a very honest motive, that one learned person approacheth another (in a contest of learning). Such motives, however, are scarcely regarded as really dishonest. So also, O Yudhishthira, a person skilled at dice approacheth one that is not so skilled from a desire of vanquishing him. One also who is conversant with the truths of science approacheth another that is not from desire of victory, which is scarcely an honest motive. But (as I have already said) such a motive is not really dishonest. And, O Yudhishthira, so also one that is skilled in weapons approacheth one that is not so skilled; the strong approacheth the weak. This is the practice in every contest. The motive is victory, O Yudhishthira. If, therefore, thou, in approaching me, regardest me to be actuated by motives that are dishonest, if thou art under any fear, desist then from play.’

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      1. My INDIAN thinking can still understand and justify all what is mentioned in Sachin’s favourite KMG but Sachin’s ENGLISH thinking cannot even accept ALL what is written in his favourite KMG…..hahahahhaahah!!!

        Sachin has been suitably replied on chariot’s point…

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  30. It was Falguna, the wielder of the Gandiva, who defeating in the Khandava woods all the gods together with Indra, made offerings to Agni, enhancing the honour and fame of the Pandavas. Of all wielders again of the mace, there is none equal to Bhima; and there is none also who is so skilful a rider of elephants. On car, they say, he yields not to even Arjuna; and as to might of arms, he is equal to ten thousand elephants. Well-trained and active, he who hath again been rendered bitterly hostile, would in anger consume the Dhartarashtras in no time.

    bhimsen was a match to arjuna in basic warfare.

    That same Satyaki who, I have heard, obtained weapons from Drona and Arjuna and Krishna and Kripa and Bhishma, and who is said to be equal to the son of Krishna, is devotedly attached to the Pandava cause. And the assembled kings of the Chedi and the Karusha tribes have all taken the part of the Pandavas with all their resources. That one in their midst, who, having been endued with blazing beauty, shone like

    p. 37

    the sun, whom all persons deemed unassailable in battle and the very best of all drawers of the bow on earth, was slain by Krishna in a trice, by help of his own great might, and counting for naught the bold spirit of all the Kshatriya kings. Kesava cast his eyes on that Sishupala and smote him, enhancing the fame and honour of the sons of Pandu. It was the same Sishupala who was highly honoured by those kings at whose head stood the king of the Karusha tribe. Then the other kings, deeming Krishna unassailable when seated on his car drawn by Sugriva and other steeds, left the chief of the Chedis and ran away like small animals at the sight of a lion. And it was thus that he, who, from audacity had sought to oppose and encounter Krishna in a combat hand to hand, was slain by Krishna and lay down lifeless, resembling a Karnikara tree uprooted by a gale. O Sanjaya, O son of Gavalgana, what they have told me of the activity of Krishna in cause of Pandu’s sons, and what I remember of his past achievements, leave me no peace of mind. No foe whatsoever is capable of withstanding them, who are under the lead of that lion of the Vrishni tribe. My heart is trembling with fear upon learning that the two Krishnas, are seated on the selfsame car. If my dull-headed son forbear to fight with those two, then may he fare well,–else those two will consume the race of Kuru as Indra and Upendra consume the Daitya hosts. Dhananjaya is, I conceive, equal to Indra, and the greatest of the Vrishni race, Krishna, is the Eternal Vishnu himself. The son of Kunti and Pandu, Yudhishthira, is virtuous and brave and eschews deeds that bring on shame. Endued with great energy, he hath been wronged by Duryodhana. If he were not high-minded, the would in wrath burn the Dhritarashtras. I do not so much dread Arjuna or Bhima or Krishna or the twin brothers as I dread the wrath of the king, O Suta, when his wrath is excited. His austerities are great; he is devoted to Brahmacharya practices. His heart’s wishes will certainly be fulfilled. When I think of his wrath, O Sanjaya, and consider how just it is, I am filled with alarm. Go thou speedily on a car, despatched by me, where the troops of the king of the Panchalas are encamped. Thou wilt ask Yudhishthira about his welfare. Thou wilt repeatedly address him in affectionate terms. Thou wilt also meet Krishna, O child, who is the chief of all brave men and who is endued with a magnanimous soul.

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  31. Pandavas spared kripacharya from the act of killing upa-pandavas and aswatthama also.

    so bhisma had no reason to fear the pandavas. he could have enjoyed the same position under yudi’s rule and also more respect would have been enjoyed by him.

    also it was also not a matter of disgrace even if Arjuna or bhima taunts him , it was far better to be rebuked by an superior warrior rather than by inferior warrior like duryo.

    he should have hidden himself in the same dungeons .

    ha ha ha ha

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  32. @ Shameless ‘Dodger’ Smarty,

    Ha..ha…ha…ha… It gives me an immense pleasure to bring out the chicken out of your childish mind in front of everyone……

    You have lost your mind completely now….. Discussing with you is like discussing with an 5 year old kid who has lost his candy & is crying to get it back….Ha..ha…ha…ha…

    Take time out to read the facts of KMG MB rather than listening to the Satsangs of lord Krishna, Bhishma & Karna in TV serials…..

    Guys like you should be attending the Satsangs rather than posting in this blog of Matured people…..

    Which part of KMG says that Bhishma favoured Pandavas more than Kauravas ??… You said and we will nod our head. Dadagiri hai kya be…..

    You could have earned a lot of respect from me if you had not dodged my questions & had answered them like a man…. But you acted like a shameless one…..

    Now listen Shameless person & tell me: If a dual is fought between Chitrangad & the gandharva, then you say that this dual cannot last for 3 years…. But why cant this 3 year battle be a full fledged army battle for the sake of hastinapur’s forest land(just like Naxalites) ?? Where does your logic go here when it does not favour Bhishma ??

    And i am not here to prove you anything, because the facts of KMG is here for everyone to see….

    And i dont have any problem with people worshipping Krishna everywhere, because whatever People think about Krishna, lekin Arjun to fir Arjun hai…. The most respectable Award for a Sportsperson is named after Arjun(Arjun Award) which is given to truly capable people & not to fake sportspersons…. This previledge is not even enjoyed by Krishna…..

    Your statement-“Krishna cheated duryodhan by giving arjuna the first chance. all were fixed in advance.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Ha..ha…ha…ha… Prove this from KMG….

    I would give you an advice: write an new MB and publicize it…… In which there are 100’s of karna’s & all the defeats of Karna were actually faced by his duplicates…. where Bhishma took a vow to follow every command of Hastinpaur king… where Bhishma/Drona/Karna were invincible warriors & Arjun was the weakest warrior & so it was the divine powers of Krishna which killed all of them & Arjun only pretended to kill them OR Bhishma/Drona/Karna committed suicide in kurukshetra so as to avoid killing their beloved Pandavas….. where Karna defeated Gandharvas & saved Duryo from them….. where all Pandavas were living under the mercy of Bhishma/Drona/Karna in MB war….. where Krishna defeated 21 Akshoushini army of Jarasandh 17 times & then showed mercy to Jarsandh & gifted him the Matura city…. where Karna did not participate in Gurudakshina war/Gandharva war/Viraat war….. etc… etc…. but my sincere request… keep this book with you only or take this book to various satsangs only…..

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    1. ha ha ha ha ,

      take all your frustration on KMG , or on Ved Vyas or On your Bhagwaan Arjuna.

      whom you worship.

      Arjuna for you was a Gadha, now is it our fault?

      your comments=
      Now listen Shameless person & tell me: If a dual is fought between Chitrangad & the gandharva, then you say that this dual cannot last for 3 years…. But why cant this 3 year battle be a full fledged army battle for the sake of hastinapur’s forest land(just like Naxalites) ?? Where does your logic go here when it does not favour Bhishma ?

      reply= now tell me comedian where is the army mentioned here. comedian kahi ke

      why should i find fault in KMG MB isn’t it the most authenticated book.

      ha ha ha ha. where is supernatural event here, do your satsang in front of the Mirror.

      ha ha ha ha

      even david dhawan movies make more sense than your post.

      sachin ka Arjuna Gadha tha.

      Sachin ka Arjuna loved killing weak peoples.

      he did not choose I akshohini Narayani sena becs he loved killing .

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  33. Quickly send word to Salya, and to the kings under him, and to king Bhagadatta of immeasurable valour residing on the eastern sea-coast, and to fierce Hardikya, and Ahuka,

    p. 6

    and the king of the Mallas of powerful understanding, and Rochamana. Let Vrihanta be summoned and king Senavindu, and Vahlika and Mudjakesa and the ruler of the Chedis, and Suparsva, Suvahu; and that great hero, Paurava; and also the kings of the Sakas, the Pahlavas, and the Daradas, and Surari, and Nadija, and king Karnavest, and Nila, and the valiant king Viradharman; and Durjaya, and Dantavakra, and Rukmi, and Janamejaya; and Ashada and Vayuvega, and king Purvapali; and Bhuritejas, and Devaka, and Ekalaya with his sons;

    that means ekalvya was killed by krishna just before Kurukshetra war but KMG MB did not have enough page to accommodate it.

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  34. @ Shameless ‘Dodger’ Smarty,

    Your shamelessness is crossing all the limits now….

    I have been waiting for your criterias for your top 10 list for last 2 years….

    I have been waiting for your passages which says that Arjun was hiding behind Shikhandi… for some 6 months…

    I have been waiting for your response for my Iron Rod example for so many days….. Whao is the Shameless now ??

    Your statement-“who has got all the episodes BR CHOPRA’S MB saved him in his computer.”

    My ans- So does it prove that Krishna was God & the best warrior ?? Ha..ha…ha…ha… I like B.R.Chopra’s Mb only because of its entertaining value & that is why i saved it in my PC…. Dont you have any other EXCUSES left to defend your fake characters…??

    Your statement-“who is yet to provide evidence to support his claims in respect of Khandavaprastra.”

    My ans- Only a Shameless & ignorant person like you will ask this, because your ignorant brain dont know the facts of MB, as you may pretend that you have read the MB but the fact is that you havent….. And the fact from MB is that Khandav Van was captured by Nagas which was recaptured by Arjun….

    Also, Forest of Hastinapur was captured by Gandharvas, which is proved by the presence of Gandharvas in that forest during Goshayatra Parva…. And since Duryo wanted to enter into their territory, hence Gandharvas kicked the butt of Duryo(& Karna) & whole Kuru army & captured him….. Now if you want to shamelessly say that Gandharvas hadnt captured that territory, then it will only prove the inabilities of Hastinpaur & Bhishma, as some outsider Gandharvas entered into Hastinapur territory, kicked the butt of Yuvraj of Hatinapur & his army & then captured him like a goat…. But still the almighty Bhishma did NOTHING during or after this…..!! No surprise… Bhishma has the habit of DOING NOTHING on such events… Remember Chitrangad vs Gandharva war ??

    Your statement-“who is criticizing the great character Bhisma of being greedy.”

    My ans- O yeah, this great character Bhishma enjoyed the disrobing of his daughter-in-law silently… & this great character Bhishma supported the guy (who ordered the disrobing-Duryo) in MB war….. And this great character Bhishma gave more importance to his ego/Vow than the well being of his population of Hastinapur ….. Even Shakuni was better than Bhishma……

    Your statement-“Krishna did not cheat anyone. he gave the option to arjuna.Arjuna knowing Krishna power chose him.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Go & give this EXCUSE to lollypop sucking kids…. What will you do if your TRUE friend gives you 2 option during your fight with 4/5 guys- either to chose him for moral support only or to chose his Iron rod ?? Oh… I forgot… You already chickened out of this question 4 times…. so its my worthless attempt to ask you on the 5th time…. Dont worry, you can chicken out again, as it wont harm much to your shameless image……

    Your statement-“did not Krishna save arjuna from sure death from bhagadatta”

    My ans- Prove this from KMG…..

    Your statement-“did not Krishna save arjuna from Karna by spell bounding the latter.”

    My ans- Supernatural satsang…..

    Your statement-“did not Krishna save the entire pandavas troops from Narayana astra.”

    My ans- Even if krishan had not adviced to dodge this weapon, still it wouldnt have killled any Maharathi….

    Your statement-“did not Krishna save Arjuna from Nagastra.”

    My ans- Supernatural satsang….. And it is a charioteer’s job to save his warrior…..

    Your statement-“did not Krishna help Arjuna by creating the sudden darkness.”

    My ans- HAWA MAHAL claim…… The darkness created by Krishna had whatsoever no effect in that war, as Kurus continued attacking with the same intensity…..

    Your statement-“which human logic does Virat War justifies.”

    My ans- Prove the supernaturality here or stop talking in HAWA-MAHAL…..

    Your statement-“which queen will send his immature son to fight against an entire army in the company of a dance teacher.”

    My ans- What is strange here ?? Or do you want to say that Arjun did not come out to save Viraat(& its cattle) ?? So how does the 13th year Exile of Pandavas broke ?? Stop talking in your dreams…..

    Your statement-“which princess instead of worrying about his brother welfare would demand mementos from him.”

    My ans- I myself said previously that this was an added story…… Arjun disrobed every Kuru warrior(except Bhishma) only to take revenge of Draupdi’s disrobing……

    Your statement-“you lost the debate when you made the Nagas human.”

    My ans- Ha..ha…ha…ha… Ha..ha…ha…ha… Ha..ha…ha…ha… Ha..ha…ha…ha…

    Listen Shameless Dodger, you lost the debate when you chickened out of my questions…. So dont cry now like a sour loser….

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    1. it s giving me immense pleasure just to see you trembling like a fish out of water.

      now you are lost in your own web.

      ha ha ha ha,

      take time out to read KMG MB. instead to doing lab test on fairty tale, glorification.

      which part of KMG MB says that Arjuna recaptured Khandavaprastra which bhisma failed to do so.

      you said and we will nod our head. Hitlergiri hai kya be.ha ha ha ha

      according to you all from Bhisma, Abhimanyu, drona and Karna are tom dick and harry , ha ha ha ha .

      .

      you could have earned a lot of respect from me if you have used logic over whole of MB and not only which favors and affects Arjuna.

      now listen comedian tell me

      how can a one to one battle last for three years.

      how can arjuna kill kauravas which were already killed by bhimsen.

      i am not here to win over you, you have to win over us.

      you know the position of Krishna in India. type Krishna in MS word it will instantly showcase that as a noun.

      even bill gates employees gives acknowledgement to that name.

      you are saying what supernatural events happen at virat.

      are you saying sunny deol (GADAR) like feats can be done in real.

      are you saying Rajnikanth moves can be done in real life.

      if yes than i would better have SUPPANDI as servant than to debate with you.

      according to you,

      tumhara Bhagwaan Arjuna ghadha hai to humko kyo gaali de rahe ho?

      according to you tumhara bhagwaan Arjuna , Krishna ki puja karta tha, to hume kyo dosh de rahe ho.

      Krishna cheated duryodhan by giving arjuna the first chance. all were fixed in advance.

      Arjuna cheated his opponent by using Krishna as his shield.

      i want to give an advice write an new MB and publicize it.

      where bhisma is shown trembling by Arjuna’s name.

      where bhisma locked himself inside the dungeons of his castle for three years.

      where Bhisma was living under the mercy of Arjuna.

      where Krishna was conquered by Yudi .

      and many more

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    2. @Sachin bhai,

      Though your post was addressed to Smarty but I could not hold back myself on certain points.

      Your statement –“O yeah, this great character Bhishma enjoyed the disrobing of his daughter-in-law silently… & this great character Bhishma supported the guy (who ordered the disrobing-Duryo) in MB war….. And this great character Bhishma gave more importance to his ego/Vow than the well being of his population of Hastinapur ….. Even Shakuni was better than Bhishma……”

      My comment – If Bhishma enjoyed disrobing so did Pandavas. I had given quotes from your favourite KMG confirming that Pandavas were the first one to disrobe themselves on orders of Duryo forget about saving or even questioning their wife’s disrobing. Shakuni stayed all his life out of Gandhar without giving damn to his population inspite of being a king. How can he be better than Bhishma who was never a King? Please explain.

      Your statement – “I myself said previously that this was an added story…… Arjun disrobed every Kuru warrior(except Bhishma) only to take revenge of Draupdi’s disrobing……”

      My comment – But I think you were the only one who said that Draupadi vastra-haran NEVER happened. So please confirm which one do you believe actually happened – Draupadi’s disrobing or Warriors disrobing??

      Your statement – “Even if krishan had not adviced to dodge this weapon (narayanastra), still it wouldnt have killled any Maharathi….”

      My comment – what is the basis of your conclusion? Was this a weapon or documentary running for sometime? If it would not have any affect then why the hell Bhima was asked to return to his aukat and stopping jumping like monkeys in front of it?

      Your statement – “Supernatural satsang….. And it is a charioteer’s job to save his warrior….. “

      My comment – Again what do you actually believe in – supernatural satsang or charioteer’ job? The same charioteer did such many things for your beloved Arjun so those would also be counted as supernatural satsang or his job? Please confirm.

      Your statement –“Prove the supernaturality here (Virat war) or stop talking in HAWA-MAHAL…..”

      My comment – I do not think anybody has doubted Virat war for supernaturality but for its possibility as one man-ship. You have not been able to give any such proof from our 2000 years old recorded history till date.

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  35. Today’s “Ancient Aliens – The Shamans” episode ended with conclusion that humans have dormant powers inside which can help them communicate with extra-terrestrial beings.

    They are so close yet so far from realizing that these are spiritual powers……keep it up!

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  36. @ ‘Dodger’ Smarty,

    Ha..ha….ha…. Hey guys look…. Smarty succesfully DODGED my question on 4th time as well…..

    Dear ‘Dodger’ Smarty, You have been awarded the Best DODGER Title of this blog….. Congratulations….!!

    I had asked you your opinion about the Iron Rod example i gave you, but instead of giving your opinion on this situation, you started defending Krishna….. So this proves that You yourself knows that Krishna cheated Pandavas but you are hiding your face to ignore this fact….. So now all of your claims which say that Krishna helped Pandavas will be considered as rubbish jokes only…..

    Your statement-“you think Krishna was ordinary , Pandavas did not . pandavas valued his worth, you don’t. so blame pandavas not me.”

    My ans- O… So Pandavas’ opinion is so valuable for you ?? so i hope you would also agree to the opinion of Arjun who said that there is no other warrior except lord Shiva who can stand in front of Arjun in the battlefield…. So going by Arjun’s opinion, even Krishna was inferior to Arjun…. That’s it case solved… No need to read all 4000 pages of MB to know who the best warrior was or what was the capabilities of Krishna….. What do you say Smarty ??

    Your statement-“so why i have to entertain you here.”

    My ans- If you dont want to entertain me here, then dont post your baseless funny posts in this blog & keep believing whatever you want, but keep those funny thoughts upto you only, if you dont have the guts to prove them……

    One day you will claim that- “Why should i entertain the fact that Pandavs won the MB war, because the glorifications of Kauravas clearly proves that they were invincible warriors, hence they cannot lose the MB war”……. Ha…ha…ha…ha… Best of luck Smarty…..

    Your statement-“accusation like bhisma being greedy, coward and Kingdom hungry was made by you.”

    My ans- I just gave you the facts of MB which showed the incapabilities & ethics of Bhishma…..

    Your statement-“from where that coward gathered the courage to face pandavas? why he could not make excuse to remain absent from the battle?”

    My ans- Just because Bhishma particiapted in MB war, it doesnt make him a great warrior…. Many coward warriors also particiapted in MB war like Jaydrath, Suserman, Shikhandi, Karna etc….. And Bhishma knew that Pandavas wont kill him out of respect, that is why he was attacking Pandavas with full force for first 9 days…. But he suddeny remembered his love for Pandavas & gave up the thought to fight further only when he became helpless in front of Arjun on 10th day & saw his death(Arjun) attacking him with an intent to kill him…..

    Had Bhishma not participated in MB war, then atleast it would have proved his unbiasednedd towards Duryodhan, but his participation in MB clearly proves that he hated Pandavas & favoured Duryo…..

    Your statement-“why he supported pandavas claims all throughout his life?”

    My ans- Because of fear of Pandavas…… And what support you are talking about ?? Did Bhishma participate in MB war(or any other war) from Pandavas side ??

    Your statement-“why he kept breeding pandavas knowing very well they are very powerful and will surely dethrone him from his authority?”

    My ans- Hypothetical arguement… The actual capabilities of Pandavas were known to Bhishma(& whole India) only after Pandavas left Drona’s school….. So why would Bhishma fear teenage Pandavas ??

    Your statement-“if bhisma was wicked person, a fraud . he would have surely taken advantage of the offer made by satyavati before him. he would have never invited Vyasa to father his next generation. he would have established himself as the King.”

    My ans- If Bhishma had established himself as the King of Hastinapur(after Vichitravir’s death & Satyawati’s request), then Bhishma would have been considered as a real well-wisher of Hastinapur, because this way, it would have been proved that Bhishma cared more for Hastinapur than his own Vow & image….. But, as the fact remains, Bhishma gave more importance to his Vow/image than the well-being of Hastinapur… Poor act of selfishness…..

    Buddy, you need to come out of the Positive image of Bhishma which was CREATED by B.R.Chopra, otherwise, if you only keep Vyas MB in mind, then Bhishma’s negative character is clearly evident in it…. Similarly, Krishna’s cheating of Pandavas/Kauravas is also clearly evident in Vyas MB……

    Looking at the facts of VYas MB, one can easily see that Shakuni’s character was much better than Bhishma/Krishna/Karna in terms of ethics & loyalty….. Shakuni never played a double game with Duryo & he gave his full commitment to Duryo & he never ACTED as being the well wisher of Pandavas(as Bhishma/Krishna did)…..

    So buddy, you can tell the stories of highly glorified Ethics & moral values of Bhishma/Krishna/Karna(as shown in MB TV serials) to small kids, who would blindly believe in your fairy tales, but this wont work in this blog of matured people where Facts are given more importance than the rubbish glorifying statements…..

    Also you can play your “DODGING GAME” or “CHICKENING OUT GAME” or “HIDE & SEEK GAME” with those small kids but not here….. IF you cannot prove your points by giving relevant facts, then be matured enough to accept your defeat, instead of DODGING or playing HIDE & SEEK…..

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    1. hey comedian

      who has got all the episodes BR CHOPRA’S MB saved him in his computer.

      me or you .

      hey shameless

      who is yet to provide evidence to support his claims in respect of Khandavaprastra.

      who is criticizing the great character Bhisma of being greedy.

      it gives me immense pleasure just to know you are so so frustrated. ha ha ha ha.

      want to give you an advise

      take your frustration over your favorite character Arjuna.

      Krishna did not cheat anyone.

      he gave the option to arjuna.

      Arjuna knowing Krishna power chose him.

      i can post that from KMG MB also.

      did not Krishna save arjuna from sure death from bhagadatta

      did not Krishna save arjuna from Karna by spell bounding the latter.

      did not Krishna save the entire pandavas troops from Narayana astra.

      did not Krishna save Arjuna from Nagastra.

      did not Krishna help Arjuna by creating the sudden darkness.

      which human logic does Virat War justifies.

      which queen will send his immature son to fight against an entire army in the company of a dance teacher.

      which princess instead of worrying about his brother welfare would demand mementos from him.

      listen comedian,

      you lost the debate when you cooked up theories to insult great bhisma.

      you lost the debate when you made the Nagas human.

      not even thinking that it will damage the image of Arjuna.

      you have the lost the debate as soon as you divided glorification and fairy tales to suit your liking’s.

      now you are frustrated as you are stuck in your own web.

      Ha ha ha ha.

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  37. if bhisma was wicked person, a fraud . he would have surely taken advantage of the offer made by satyavati before him.

    he would have never invited Vyasa to father his next generation.

    he would have established himself as the King.

    what others could have done ?

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    1. Dear friends French open concluding lets anaylise karna vs bhima at kurukshetra in tennis language. If there is some battle I missed out please point out.

      Jayadratha vadh
      The son of Radha, however, rushing towards him as he proceeded, covered him, O king, with dense showers of arrows, like a cloud pouring, torrents of rain on a mountain. The mighty son of Adhiratha, his face beautiful as a full-blown lotus, lighted up with a smile, challenged Bhimasena to battle, as the latter was proceeding. The valiant Bhima then, in that encounter, pierced Karna with two and thirty broad-headed shafts of keen points and fierce energy, Karna, however, with the greatest indifference, covered, in return, with his arrows, the mighty-armed Bhimasena who was desirous of Jayadratha’s slaughter. Indeed, the son of Radha, in that encounter, fought mildly with Bhima,
      ( Karna fighting mildly with bhima ???)
      while Bhima, remembering his former wrongs, fought with him furiously. The wrathful Bhimasena could not brook that disregard by Karna. Indeed, that slayer of foes quickly shot showers of arrows at Radha’s son. Those arrows, sped in that encounter by Bhimasena, fell on every limb of Karna like cooing birds.
      Bhima held in that battle all those shafts, whetted on stone and equipped with wings of gold, that were shot from Karna’s bow. All his limbs bathed in blood, Bhimasena looked resplendent like an Asoka tree in spring adorned with its flowery burthen. The mighty-armed Bhima could not brook that conduct, in battle, of the mighty-armed Karna. Rolling his eyes ill wrath, he pierced Karna with five and twenty long shafts. Thereupon, Karna looked like a white mountain with many snakes of virulent poison (hanging from its sides). And once more, Bhimasena, endued with the prowess of a celestial, pierced the Suta’s son who was prepared to lay down his life in battle, with six and then with eight arrows. And, again, with another arrow, the valiant Bhimasena quickly cut off Karna’s bow, smiling the while. And he slew also with his shafts the four steeds of Karna and then his charioteer, and then pierced Karna himself in the chest with a number of long shafts endued with the effulgence of the sun. Those winged shafts, piercing through Karna’s body, entered the earth, like the rays of the sun piercing through the clouds. Afflicted with arrows and his bow cut off, Karna, though proud of his manliness, felt great pain and proceeded to another car
      Advantage Bhima
      ‘Mounting upon another car that was duly equipped Karna once more proceeded against the son of Pandu, with the fury of the Ocean tossed by the tempest. Beholding Adhiratha’s son excited with rage, thy sons, O king, regarded Bhimasena to be already poured as a libation on the (Karna) fire. With furious twang of bowstring and terrible sounds Of his palms, the son of Radha shot dense showers of shafts towards Bhimasena’s car. And once more, O monarch, a terrible encounter took Place between the heroic Karna and the high-souled Bhima., Bhima recollecting all the woes suffered by him on the occasion of thematch at dice, and during his exile in the woods and residence in Virata’s city, and bearing in mind the robbing of their kingdom swelling with prosperity and gems, by thy sons, and the numerous other wrongs inflicted on the Pandavas by thee and the Suta’s son and remembering also the fact that thou hadst conspired to burn innocent Kunti with her sons, and calling to his memory the sufferings of Krishna in the midst of the assembly at the hands of those wretches, as also the seizure of her tresses by Duhsasana, and the harsh speeches uttered, O Bharata, by Karna, to the effect, ‘Take thou another husband, for all thy husbands are dead: the sons of Pritha have sunk into hell and are like sesamum seeds without kernel,’
      This is another incident which IMHO is though provoking. Above karnas insult to draupadi is remembered by bhima. But hey I don’t see karna calling draupadi as vaishya as shown in t.v. serial or ordering her vastraharan.
      –remembering also those other words, O son of Kuru, that the Kauravas uttered in thy presence, add the fact also that thy sons had been desirous of enjoying Krishnâ as a slave, and those harsh words that Karna spoke to the sons of Pandu when the latter, attired in deer-skins were about to be banished to the woods, Vrikodara, that tiger of Bharata’s race, utterly reckless of his life, rushed against Karna. Shooting dense showers of bright arrows whetted on stone, Bhima shrouded the very light of the sun. Adhiratha’s son, however, smiling the while, quickly baffled, by means of his own winged arrows whetted on stone, that arrowy downpour of Bhimasena. Endued with great strength and mighty arms, that mighty car-warrior, the son of Adhiratha, then pierced Bhima with nine keen arrows. Struck with those arrows, like an elephant struck with the hook. Vrikodara fearlessly rushed against the Suta’s son. Karna, however, rushed against that bull among the Pandavas who was thus rushing towards him with great impetuosity and might, like an infuriated elephant against an infuriated compeer. Blowing his conch then, whose blast resembled the sound of a hundred trumpets, Karna cheerfully agitated the force that supported Bhima, like the raging sea. Beholding that force of his consisting of elephants and steeds and cars and foot-soldiers, thus agitated by Karna, Bhima, approaching the former, covered him with arrows. Then Karna caused his own steeds of the hue of swans to be mingled with those of Bhimasena’s of the hue of bears, and shrouded the son of Pandu with his shafts. Those two slayers of foes-continued to cover each other with their keen shafts. Both endued with wonderful prowess, they filled the welkin with their arrowy downpours. Those two mighty car-warriors shooting at each other keen shafts from desire of taking each other’s life, became exceedingly beautiful to behold like two clouds pouring torrents of rain. Those two chastisers of foes, shooting gold-decked arrows, made the welkin look bright, O king, as if with blazing meteors. Shafts equipped with vulturine feathers, shot by those two heroes, looked like rows of excited cranes in the autumn sky.
      Meanwhile, Krishna and Dhananjaya, those chastisers of foes, engaged in battle with the Suta’s son, thought the burthen too great for Bhima to bear.
      This is also thought provoking that both Krishna and Arjuna consider bhima the underdog in front of karna.
      As Karna and Bhima for baffling each other’s shafts, shot these arrows at each other, many elephants and steeds and men deeply struck therewith, fell down deprived of life. And in consequence of those falling and fallen creatures deprived of life counting by thousands, a great carnage,. Bhima, however, with three sharp shafts cut off the bow of Karna, as the latter was engaged in striking him. And with a broad-headed arrow, the son of Pandu then felled on the earth Karna’s charioteer from his niche in the car. The son of Vikartana, then desirous of slaying Bhimasena, seized a dart whose shaft was adorned with gold and stones of lapis lazuli. Grasping that fierce dart, which resembled a second dart of death, and uplifting and aiming it, the mighty son of Radha hurled it at Bhimasena with a force sufficient to take away Bhima’s life. Hurling that dart, like Purandara hurling the thunderbolt, Radha’s son of great strength uttered a loud roar. Hearing that roar thy sons became filled with delight. Bhima, however, with seven swift arrows, cut off in the welkin that dart endued with the effulgence of the sun or fire, hurled from the hands of Karna. Cutting off that dart, resembling a snake just freed from its slough, Bhima, O sire, as if on the lookout for taking the life-breath of the Suta’s son, sped, in great wrath, many shafts in that battle that were equipped with peacock-feathers and golden wings and each of which, whetted of’ stone, resembled the rod of Yama. Karna also of great energy, taking up another formidable bow, the back of whose staff was adorned with gold, and drawing it with force, shot many shafts. The son of Pandu, however, cut off all those arrows with nine straight arrows of his own. Having cut off, O ruler of men those mighty shafts shot by Vasushena, Bhima,O monarch, uttered a loud roar like that of a lion. Roaring at each other like two mighty bulls for the sake of a cow in season, . Then Bhima once more cut Karna’s bow at the handle, O sire, and despatched by means of his shafts the latter’s steeds, white as conchs, to the abode of Yama, and the son of Pandu also felled his enemy’s charioteer from his niche in the car. Then Karna, the son of Vikartana, made steedless and driverless, and covered in that battle (with shafts), became plunged into great anxiety. Stupefied by Bhima with his arrowy showers, he knew not what to do. Beholding Karna placed in the distressful plight, king Duryodhana, trembling with wrath, commended (his brother) Durjaya, saying, ‘Go, O Durjaya! There the son of Pandu is about to devour the son of Radha! Slay that beardless Bhima soon, and infuse strength into Karna!’
      Advantage Bhima – Duryodhans statement makes it clear.
      Then Karna, striking Bhimasena with showers of shafts, uttered a loud roar, and once more pierced him in the chest. Bhima, however, in return, pierced Karna with ten straight arrows and once more with twenty straight arrows. Then, O bull of Bharata’s race, the mighty-armed Bhima, with a couple of razor-faced arrows, cut off the standard of Karna. And then he slew, with a number of shafts his enemy’s charioteer. Abandoning that steedless and driverless and standardless car, Karna. O Bharata, cheerlessly stood on the earth, drawing his bow. The prowess that we then beheld of Radha’s son was extremely wonderful, inasmuch as that foremost of car-warriors, though deprived of car, continued to resist his foe. Beholding that foremost of men, viz., the son of Adhiratha, deprived of his car, Duryodhana, O monarch, said unto (his brother) Durmukha, ‘There, O Durmukha, the son of Radha hath been deprived of his car by Bhimasena. Furnish that foremost of men, that mighty car-warrior with a car.
      No this is not advantage bhima. Sanjay makes it clear that here the prowess of radhas son was wonderful.
      ‘ Hearing these words of Duryodhana, thy son Durmukha, O Bharata, quickly proceeded towards Karna and covered Bhima with his shafts. Beholding Durmukha desirous of supporting the Suta’s son in that battle, the son of the Wind god was filled with delight and began to lick the corners of his mouth. Then resisting Karna the while with his shafts, the son of Pandu quickly drove his car towards Durmukha. And in that moment, O king, with nine straight arrows of keen points, Bhima despatched Durmukha to Yama’s abode, Upon Durmukha’s slaughter, the son of Adhiratha mounted upon the car of that prince and looked resplendent, O king, like the blazing sun. Beholding Durmukha lying prostrate on the field, his very vital pierced (with shafts) and his body bathed in blood, Karna with tearful eyes abstained for a moment from the fight. Circumambulating the fallen prince and leaving him there, the heroic Karna began to breathe long and hot breaths and knew not what to do. Seizing that opportunity, O king, Bhimasena shot at the Suta’s son four and ten long shafts equipped with vulturine feathers. Those blood-drinking shafts of golden wings, endued with great force illuminating the ten points as they coursed through the welkin, pierced the armour of the Suta’s son, and drank his life-blood, O king, and passing through his body, sank into the earth and looked resplendent like angry snakes, O monarch, urged on by Death himself, with half their bodies inserted within their holes. Then the son of Radha, without reflecting a moment, pierced Bhima in return with four and ten fierce shafts adorned with gold. Those fierce-winged arrows, piercing through Bhima’s right arms, entered the earth like birds entering a grove of trees. Striking against the earth, those arrows looked resplendent, like the blazing rays of the sun while proceeding towards the Asta hills. Pierced in that battle with those all-piercing arrows, Bhima began to shed copious streams of blood, like a mountain ejecting streams of water. Then Bhima pierced the Suta’s son in return with three shafts endued with the impetuosity of Garuda and he pierced the latter’s charioteer also with seven. Then, O king, Karna thus afflicted by Bhima’s might, became exceedingly distressed. And that illustrious warrior then fled, forsaking the battle, borne away by his fleet steeds. The Atiratha Bhimasena, however, drawing his bow adorned with gold, stayed in battle, looking resplendent like a blazing fire.'”
      Yes here its advantage bhima.
      Then Bhimasena, recollecting the wrongs formerly inflicted by Karna, became filled with rage and began with deliberate care to pierce Karna with many keen arrows. Then Karna, piercing Bhima with five arrows, smiling the while, once more pierced him with seventy arrows, equipped with golden wings and whetted on stone. Then the mighty car-warrior Karna alighted from his car and taking up a mace in that battle wrathfully hurled it at Bhima. Beholding that mace, O king, impetuously coursing towards him, Vrikodara resisted it with his arrows in the sight of all thy troops. Then the son of Pandu, gifted with great prowess and exerting himself with great activity, shot a thousand arrows at the Suta’s son, desirous of taking the latter’s life. Karna, however, in the dreadful battle, resisting all those shafts with his own, cut off Bhima’s armour also with his arrows. And then he pierced Bhima with five and twenty small shafts in the sight of all the troops. All this seemed exceedingly wonderful. Then, O monarch, Bhima, excited with rage, sped nine straight shafts at the Suta’s son. Those keen shafts, piercing through Karna’s coat of mail and right arm, entered the earth like snakes into an ant-hill. Shrouded with showers of shafts shot from Bhimasena’s bow, Karna once more turned his back upon Bhimasena. Beholding the Suta’s son turn back and flying away on foot,
      Advantage bhima.
      Karna, with tearful face, recollected the word of Vidura. Mounting upon another car that was duly equipped, Karna, endued with great prowess, quickly proceeded against the son of Pandu in battle. Piercing each other with whetted arrows, equipped with wings of gold, the two warriors looked resplendent like two masses of clouds penetrated by the rays of the sun. And once more Pandu’s son, Bhima of terrible prowess, O Bharata, shrouded Karna with a thousand shafts shot from his bow. And as he shrouded Karna with his winged shafts, equipped with Kanka feathers, thy sons witnessed his extra ordinary prowess. Gladdening Partha himself and the illustrious Kesava, Satyaki and the two protectors of (two) wheels (of Arjuna’s car), Bhima fought even thus with Karna. Beholding the perseverance of Bhima who knew his own self, thy sons, O monarch, all became cheerless.'” Sanjaya said, ‘Hearing the twang of Bhimasena’s bow and the sound of his palms, the son of Radha could not brook it, like an infuriated elephant incapable of brooking the roars of an infuriated rival. Returning for a moment from before Bhimasena, Karna cast his eyes upon those sons of thine that had been slain by Bhimasena, Beholding them, O best of men, Karna became cheerless and plunged in grief. Breathing hot and long sighs, he, once more, proceeded against the son of Pandu. With eyes red as copper, and sighing in wrath like a mighty snake, Karna then, as he shot his arrows, looked resplendent like the sun scattering his rays. 1 Indeed, O bull of Bharata’s race, Vrikodara was then covered with the arrows, resembling the spreading rays of the sun that were shot from Karna’s bow. The beautiful shafts, equipped with peacock-feathers, shot from Karna’s bow, penetrated into every part of Bhima’s body, like birds into a tree for roosting there. Indeed, the arrows, equipped with wings of gold, shot from Karna’s bow falling incessantly, resembled continuous rows of cranes. So numerous were the shafts shot by Adhiratha’s son that, these seemed to issue not from his bow alone but from his standard, his umbrella, and the shaft and yoke and bottom of his car also. Indeed, Adhiratha’s son shot his sky-ranging shafts of impetuous energy, decked with gold and equipped with vulturine feathers, in such a way as to fill the entire welkin with them. Beholding him (thus) excited with fury and rushing towards him like the Destroyer himself, Vrikodara, becoming utterly reckless of his life and prevailing over his foe, pierced him with
      nine shafts. 1 Beholding the irresistible impetuosity of Karna as also that dense shower of arrows, Bhima, endued as he was with great prowess, quailed not in fear. The son of Pandu then counteracting that arrowy downpour of Adhiratha’s son, pierced Karna himself with twenty other sharp shafts. Indeed, as Pritha’s son himself had before been shrouded by the Suta’s son, even so was the latter now shrouded by the former in that battle. Beholding the prowess of Bhimasena in battle, thy warriors, as also the Gharanas, filled with joy; applauded him. Bhurisravas, and Kripa, and Drona’s son, and the ruler of the Madras, and Uttamaujas and Yudhamanyu, and Kesava, and Arjuna,–these great car-warriors: O king, among both the Kurus and the Pandavas,–loudly cheered Bhima, saying, ‘Excellent, Excellent,’ and uttered leonine roars. When that fierce uproar, making the hair stand on end rose, thy son Duryodhana, O king, quickly said unto all the kings and princes and particularly his uterine brothers, these words, ‘Blessed be ye, proceed towards Karna for rescuing him from Vrikodara, else the shafts shot from Bhima’s bow will slay the son of Radha. Ye mighty bowmen, strive ye to protect the Suta’s son.’ Thus commanded by Duryodhana, seven of his uterine brothers, O sire, rushing in wrath towards Bhimasena, encompassed him on all sides.
      IMHO its not advantage bhima yes karna is shrouded but when his own officers liked bhurishrava kripa ashwatthama are praising bhima then duryodhan was manilpulated into declaring it as karna defeat. “Sanjaya said, ‘Indeed, O king, Karna and Bhima, both endued with great prowess, continued in that battle to pour their arrowy showers like two rain-charged clouds. The arrows, winged with gold and whetted on stone and marked with Bhima’s name, approaching Karna, penetrated into his body, as if piercing into his very life. Similarly, Bhima also, in that battle was shrouded with the shafts of Karna in hundreds and thousands, resembling snakes of virulent poison.
      See here karna shrouded bhima so shrouded is not defeaet.
      The remnant of those brave soldiers, with their steeds and elephants killed, leaving the vicinity of both Karna and Bhima, fled away in all directions. (And they cried out), ‘Verily, for the sake of the Parthas, the gods are stupefying us, since those arrows shot by both Bhima and Karna are slaying our forces. Saying those words, these troops of thine afflicted with fear avoiding the range of (Karna’s and Bhima’s) arrows, stood at a distance for witnessing that combat. even so, Adhiratha’s son, engaged with Bhima, coursed fiercely in that battle. 1 Both of them felled countless standards and cars and slew steeds and men and elephants, like a pair of elephants crushing a forest of reeds while engaged in battle with other. Thy host looked like a mass of clouds, O king, of men, and great was the carnage caused in that battle by Karna and Bhima.'”
      Deeply pierced by the active son of Pandu, Karna, supporting himself on the Kuxara of his car, closed his eyes. Soon, however, regaining consciousness, Karna, that scorcher of foes, with his body bathed in blood, became mad with rage. 3 Infuriated with rage in consequence of his being thus afflicted by that firm bowman Karna, endued with great impetuosity, rushed fiercely towards Bhimasena’s car. Then, O king, the mighty and wrathful Karna, maddened with rage, shot at Bhimasena, O Bharata, a hundred shafts winged with vulturine feathers. The son of Pandu, however, disregarding his foe and setting at nought his energy, began to shoot showers of fierce arrows at him. Then Karna, O king, excited with rage, O scorcher of foes, struck the son of Pandu, that embodiment of wrath with nine arrows in the chest. Then both those tigers among men (armed with arrows and, therefore), resembling a couple of tigers with fierce teeth, poured upon each other, in that battle, their arrowy showers, like two mighty masses of clouds. They sought to frighten each other in that battle, with sounds of their palms and with showers of arrows of diverse kinds. Excited with rage, each sought in that battle to counteract the other’s feat. Then that slayer of hostile heroes, viz., the mighty-armed Bhima, O Bharata, cutting off, with a razor-faced arrow, the bow of the Suta’s son, uttered a loud shout. Casting off that broken bow, the Suta’s son, that mighty car-warrior, took up another bow that was stronger and tougher. Beholding that slaughter of the Kuru, the Sauvira, and the Sindhu heroes, and marking that the earth was covered with coats of mail and standards and weapons lying about, and also seeing the lifeless forms of elephants, foot-soldiers and horsemen and car-warriors on all sides, the body of the Suta’s son, from wrath, blazed up with effulgence. Stretching his formidable bow, decked with gold, Radha’s son, O king, eyed Bhima with wrathful glances. Infuriated with rage, the Suta’s son, while shooting his arrows, looked resplendent, like the autumnal sun of dazzling rays at mid-day. While employed with his hands in taking up an arrow, fixing it on the bow-string, stretching the string and letting it off, none could notice any interval between those acts. And while Karna was thus engaged in shooting his arrows right and left, his bow incessantly drawn to a circle, like a terrible circle of fire. The keen pointed arrows, equipped with wings of gold, shot from Karna’s bow, covered, O king, all the points of the compass, darkening the very light of the sun. Countless flights were seen, in the welkin, of those shafts equipped with wings of gold, shot from Karna’s bow. Indeed, the shafts shot from the bow of Adhiratha’s son, looked like rows of cranes in the sky. The arrows that Adhiratha’s son shot were all equipped with vulturine feathers, whetted on stone, decked with gold, endued with great impetuosity, and furnished with blazing points. Impelled by the force of his bow, those arrows urged by Karna, while coursing in thousands through the welkin looked beautiful like successive flights of locusts. The arrows shot from the bow of Adhiratha’s son, as they coursed through the welkin, looked like one long continuously drawn arrow in the sky. Like a cloud covering a mountain with torrents of rain, Karna in rage, covered Bhima with showers of arrows. Then thy sons, O Bharata, with their troops, beheld the might, energy, prowess and perseverance of Bhima, for the latter, disregarding that arrowy downpour, resembling the raging sea, rushed in wrath against Karna, Bhima, O monarch, was armed with a
      formidable bow, the back of whose staff was decked with gold. He stretched it so quickly that it seemed, like a second bow of Indra, incessantly drawn to a circle. Shafts issued continuously from it seemed to fill the welkin. With those straight arrows, equipped with wings of gold, shot by Bhima, a continuous line was made in the sky that looked effulgent like a garland of gold. Then those showers of (Karna’s) arrows spread in the welkin, struck by Bhimasena with his shafts, were scattered in portions and fell down on the earth. Then the sky was covered with those showers of gold-winged and swiftly-coursing arrows, of both Karna and Bhimasena, that produced sparks of fire as they clashed against each other. The very sun was then shrouded, and the very wind ceased to blow. Indeed, when the welkin was thus covered with those arrowy showers, nothing could be seen. Then the Suta’s son, disregarding the energy of the high-souled Bhima, completely shrouded Bhima with other arrows and endeavoured to prevail over him. Then, O sire, those arrowy showers shot by both of them, seemed to clash against each other like two opposite currents of wind. And in consequence of that clash of the arrowy showers of those two lions among men, a conflagration, O chief of the Bharatas, seemed to be generated in the sky. Then Karna, desirous of slaying Bhima, shot at him in rage many whetted arrows equipped with wings of gold and polished by the hands of the smith. Bhima, however, cut off with his own shafts every one of those arrows into three fragments, and prevailing over the Suta’s son, he cried out, ‘Wait, Wait.’ And the wrathful and mighty son of Pandu, like an all-consuming conflagration, once more shot in rage showers of fierce shafts. And then in consequence of their leathern fences striking against their bow-strings, loud sounds were generated. And loud also became the sound of their palms, and terrible their leonine shouts, and fierce the rattle of their car-wheels and the twang of their bow-strings. And all the combatants, O king, ceased to fight, desirous of beholding the prowess of Karna and of the son of Pandu, each of whom was desirous of slaying the other. And the celestial Rishis and Siddhas and Gandharvas, applauded them, saying, “Excellent, Excellent!’ And the tribes of Vidyadharas rained flowery showers upon them. Then the wrathful and mighty-armed Bhima of fierce prowess, baffling with his own weapons the weapons of his foe, pierced the Suta’s son with many shafts. Karna also, endued with great might, baffling the shafts of Bhimasena, sped at him nine long shafts in that battle. Bhima, however, with as many arrows, cut off those shafts of Suta’s son in the welkin and addressed him, saying, ‘Wait, Wait!’ Then the mighty-armed and heroic Bhima, excited with rage, shot at Adhiratha’s son an arrow resembling the rod of Yama or Death himself. Radha’s son, however, smiling, cut off that arrow, O king, of Pandu’s son, however, of great Prowess, with three arrows of his, as it coursed towards him through the welkin. The son of Pandu then once more shot showers of fierce shafts. Karna, however, fearlessly received all those arrows of Bhima. Then excited with rage, the Suta’s son, Karna, by the power of his weapons, with his
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      straight arrows, cut off in that encounter the couple of quivers and the bow-string of fighting Bhima, as also the traces of his steeds. And then slaying his steeds also, Karna pierced Bhima’s charioteer with five shafts. The charioteer, quickly running away, proceeded to Yudhamanyu’s car. Excited with rage, the son of Radha then, whose splendour resembled that of the Yuga-fire, smiling the while, cut off the flag-staff of Bhima and felled his banner. Deprived of his bow, the mighty-armed Bhima then seized a dart, such as car-warriors may use. Excited with wrath, he whirled it in his hand and then hurled it with great force at Karna’s car. The son of Adhiratha then, with ten shafts, cut off, as it coursed towards him with the effulgence of a large meteor, the gold-decked dart thus hurled (by Bhima). 1 Thereupon, that dart fell down, cut off into ten fragments by those sharp shafts of the Suta’s son, Karna, that warrior conversant with every mode of warfare, then battling for the sake of his friends. Then, the son of Kunti took up a shield decked with gold and a sword, desirous of obtaining either death or victory, Karna, however, O Bharata, smiling the while, cut off that bright shield of Bhima with many fierce shafts. Then, car-less, Bhima, O king, deprived of his shield, became mad with rage. Quickly, then, he hurled his formidable sword at Karna’s car. That large sword, cutting off the stringed bow of the Suta’s son, fell down on the earth, O king, like an angry snake from the sky. Then Adhiratha’s son, excited with rage in that battle, smilingly took up another bow destructive of foes, having a stronger string, and tougher than the one he had lost. Desirous of slaying the son of Kunti, Karna then began to shoot thousands of arrows, O king, equipped with wings of gold and endued with great energy. Struck by those shafts shot from Karna’s bow, the mighty Bhima leaped into the sky, filling Karna’s heart with anguish. Beholding the conduct of Bhima, in battle desirous of victory, the son of Radha beguiled him by concealing himself in his car. Seeing Karna concealing himself with an agitated heart on the terrace of his car, Bhima catching hold of Karna’s flagstaff, waited on the earth. All the Kurus and the Charanas highly applauded that attempt of Bhima of snatching Karna away from his car, like Garuda snatching away a snake. His bow cut off, himself deprived of his car, Bhima, observant of the duties of his order, stood still for battle, keeping his (broken) car behind him. The son of Radha, then, from rage, in that encounter, proceeded against the son of Pandu who was waiting for battle. Then those two mighty warriors, O king, challenging as they approached each other, those two bulls among men, roared at each other, like clouds at the close of summer. And the passage-at-arms that then took place between those two engaged lions among men that could not brook each other in battle resembled that of old between the gods and the Danavas. The son of Kunti, however, whose stock of weapons was exhausted, was (obliged to turn back) pursued by Karna.
      Advantage Karna. ( here bhima is pursued ie bhima running away from karna )

      Beholding the elephants, huge as hills that had been slain by Arjuna, lying (near), unarmed Bhimasena entered into their midst, for impeding the progress of Karna’s car. Approaching that multitude of elephants and getting into the midst of that fastness which was inaccessible to a car, the son of Pandu, desirous of saving his life, refrained from striking the son of Radha. Desirous of shelter, that subjugator of hostile cities viz., the son of Pritha, uplifting an elephant that had been slain by Dhananjaya with his shafts, waited there, like Hanumat uplifting the peak of Gandhamadana. 1 Karna, however, with his shafts, cut off that elephant held by Bhima. The son of Pandu, thereupon, hurled at Karna the fragments of that elephant’s body as also car-wheels and steeds. In fact, all objects that he saw lying there on the field, the son of Pandu, excited with rage, took up and hurled at Karna. Karna, however, with his sharp arrows, cut off every one of those objects thus thrown at him. Bhima also, raising his fierce fists that were endued with the force of the thunder, desired to slay the Suta’s son. Soon, however, he recollected Arjuna’s vow. The son of Pandu, therefore, though competent, spared the life of Karna, from desire of not falsifying the vow that Savyasachin had made.
      Here it appears advantage bhima but not in IMHO. Reason bhima is unarmed karna is armed. Bhima thinks that he can kill karna here.

      The Suta’s son, however, with his sharp shafts, repeatedly caused the distressed Bhima, to lose the sense. But Karna, recollecting the words of Kunti, took not the life of the unarmed Bhima.
      Advantage Karna.
      Approaching quickly Karna touched him with the horn of his bow. As soon, however, as Bhimasena was touched with the bow, excited with rage and sighing like a snake, he snatched the bow from Karna and struck him with it on the head. Struck by Bhimasena, the son of Radha, with eyes red in wrath, smiling the while, said unto him repeatedly these words, viz., ‘Beardless eunuch, ignorant fool and glutton.’ And Karna said, ‘Without skin in weapons, do not fight with me. Thou art but a child, a laggard in battle! There, son of Pandu, where occurs a profusion of eatables and drink, there, O wretch, shouldst thou be but never in battle. Subsisting on roots, flowers, and observant of vows and austerities, thou, O Bhima, shouldst pass thy days in the woods for thou art unskilled in battle. Great is the difference between battle and the austere mode of a Muni’s life. Therefore, O Vrikodara, retire into the woods. O child, thou art not fit for being engaged in battle. Thou hast an aptitude for a life in the woods. Urging cooks and servants and slaves in the house to speed, thou art fit only for reproving them in wrath for the sake of thy dinner, O Vrikodara! O Bhima, O thou of a foolish understanding, betaking thyself to a Muni’s mode of life, gather thou fruits (for thy food). Go to the woods, O son of Kunti, for thou art not skilled in battle. Employed in cutting fruits and roots or in waiting upon guests, thou art unfit, I think, to take a part, O Vrikodara, in any passage-at-arms.’ And, O monarch, all the wrongs done to him in his younger years, were also reminded by Karna in harsh words. And as he stood there in weakness, Karna once more touched him with
      the bow. And laughing loudly, Vrisha once more told Bhima those words, ‘Thou shouldst fight with others, O sire, but never with one like me.
      And this is the reason why it was not advantage bhima if with his fists he can kill karna why cant he disarm karna and prove his point.
      Battle day 15 drona vadha
      Thus struck with Karna’s shafts, the mace turned back towards Bhima, like a snake afflicted
      with incantations. With the rebound of that mace, the huge standard of Bhima, broke and fell
      down. Struck with that same mace, Bhima’s driver also became deprived of his senses. Then
      Bhima, mad with rage, sped eight shafts at Karna, and his standard and bow, and leathern fence,
      O Bharata. The mighty Bhimasena, that slayer of hostile heroes, with the greatest care, O
      Bharata, cut off, with those keen shafts, the standards, the bow, and the leathern fence of
      Karna. The latter then, viz., the son of Radha, taking up another invincible and gold-decked
      bow, shot a number of shafts, and quickly slew Bhima’s steeds of the hue of bears, and then his
      two drivers. When his car was thus injured, Bhima, that chastiser of foes, quickly jumped into
      the car of Nakula.

      Advantage Karna

      Karna vs bhima battle day 17
      First battle. Karna while the latter was engaged in battle with the Pandavas, the Pancalas, the
      Cedis, and Satyaki. Destroying that vast division with his sharp arrows, and crushing many
      foremost of car-warriors Karna succeeded in afflicting Yudhishthira. Cutting off the armour,
      the weapons, and the bodies of thousands of foes and slaying his foes by thousands and sending
      them to heaven and making them earn great fame, Karna caused his friends great joy
      .I know bhima
      is not exactly mentioned but pandavas are mentioned and it cant mean whole pandava army as
      panchalas cedis and satyaki are segregated and since karnas fighting caused his friends joy its
      reasonable to conclude bhima didn’t do much here.

      Advantage Karna

      Second battle Karna vs bhima
      Then Dhristadyumna pierced Karna with ten arrows, and the sons of Draupadi pierced him with
      three and seventy, and Yuyudhana with seven. And Bhimasena pierced him with four and sixty
      arrows, and Sahadeva with seven. And Nakula pierced him with thirty arrows, and Satanika with
      seven. And the heroic Shikhandi pierced him with ten and king Yudhishthira with a hundred. the
      Suta’s son of great heroism, performing quick evolutions with his car, pierced every one of
      those warriors with ten arrows. We then, O king, witnessed the lightness of hand displayed by
      the high-souled Karna and the power of his weapons. Indeed, what we saw appeared to be highly
      wonderful. People could not notice when he took up his arrows, when he aimed them, and when he let them off. They only beheld his enemies dying fast in consequence of his wrath. The sky, thefirmament, the Earth, and all the quarters seemed to be entirely shrouded with sharp arrows.
      The firmament looked resplendent as if covered with red clouds. The valiant son of Radha, armed
      with the bow, and as if dancing (on his car), pierced each of his assailants with thrice as
      many arrows as each of them had pierced him with. And once more piercing each of them, and his steeds, driver, car, and standard with ten arrows, he uttered a loud roar. His assailants then
      gave him a way (through which he passed out). Having crushed those mighty bowmen ( these bowmen clearly include bhima he is shown piercing karna )

      Advantage Karna

      Next karna bhima scene battle day 17
      Then many foremost heroes amongst the Pandavas, desirous of rescuing the king, rushed in wrath towards Karna and began to grind him with their arrows. Satyaki and Chekitana and Yuyutsu and Shikhandi and the sons of Draupadi and the Prabhadrakas, and the twins (Nakula and Sahadeva) and Bhimasena and Shishupala and the Karushas, Matsyas, the Suras, the Kaikayas, the Kasis and the Kosalas, all these brave heroes, endued with great activity, assailed Vasusena. The Pancala prince Janamejaya then pierced Karna with many arrows. The Pandava heroes, armed with diverse kinds of arrows and diverse weapons and accompanied by cars and elephants and steeds, rushing
      towards Karna, encompassed him on all sides, from desire of slaying him. Thus assailed on all
      sides by the foremost of Pandava warriors, Karna invoked into existence the brahmastra and
      filled all the points of the compass with arrows. The heroic Karna then, like unto a blazing
      fire having shafts for its scorching flame, careered in battle, burning that forest of Pandavas
      troops. ( HERE KARNA FIRING BRAHMA WEAPON CLEARLY KICK REAR LIKE FIRE BURNING PANDAVA TROOPS )
      Then Karna, O king, laughing in mockery, Having said these words unto the son of Pritha, the
      mighty Karna, setting Yudhishthira free,
      ( THE VERY FACT THAT KARNA SETS YUDHISHTHIRA FREE IS IN ITSELF PROOF THAT YUDHI WAS CAPTURED THIS IS THE GREATEST RESULT IN BATTLE EVER FROM BOTH THE SIDES ) Advantage Karna

      began to slaughter the Pandava host like the wielder of the thunderbolt slaughtering the Asura
      host. That ruler of men, (viz., Yudhishthira,) then, O king, quickly fled away. Beholding the
      king flying away, the Cedis, the Pandavas, the Pancalas, and the mighty car-warrior Satyaki,
      all followed that monarch of unfading glory. And the sons of Draupadi, and the Suras, and the
      twin sons of Madri by Pandu, also followed the king. Beholding the division of Yudhishthira
      retreating, the heroic Karna became highly glad with all the Kurus and began to pursue the
      retreating force. ( Here infact pandavas are retreating ). Then king Yudhishthira, the just,
      seeing his troops fast slaughtered, became filled with rage, and addressing his warriors,
      commanded them, saying, “Slay these enemies. Why are ye inactive?” Then the mighty car-warriors of the Pandavas, headed by Bhimasena, thus commanded by the king, all rushed against thy sons.“Proceed towards the car of Bhima.” Thus addressed by Karna, the ruler of the Madras began to urge those foremost of steeds, of the hue of swans, towards the spot where Vrikodara was. With cheerful hearts exert ye today for protecting the king.” Having said these words, the mighty-armed Bhima proceeded towards Adhiratha’s son, making all the points of the compass resound with a loud leonine shout.Beholding Bhima coming towards him, Karna, otherwise called Vaikartana or Vrisha, filled with rage, struck him with shafts in the centre of the chest. And once more, Karna of immeasurable soul, covered him with a shower of arrows. Thus pierced by the Suta’s son, Bhima covered the former with winged arrows. And he once more pierced Karna with nine straight and keen shafts. Then Karna, with a number of arrows, cut in twain Bhima’s bow at the handle. And after cutting off his bow, he pierced him once again in the centre of the chest with a shaft of great keenness and capable of penetrating every kind of armour. Then Karna pierced him with five and
      twenty arrows,. His limbs mangled with those shafts, his eyes red with rage and the desire of
      revenge, the son of Pandu, insensate with wrath, and impelled by the desire of slaying the
      Suta’s son, fixed on his bow an excellent shaft of great impetuosity, capable of bearing a
      great strain, and competent to pierce the very mountains. Forcibly drawing the bow-string to
      his very ear, the son of the Wind-god, that great bowmanfilled with wrath and desirous of
      making an end of Karna, sped that shaft. Thus sped by the mighty Bhima, that shaft, making a
      noise loud as that of the thunder, pierced through thunderbolt Karna in that battle, like the
      thunderbolt itself piercing through a mountain. Struck by Bhimasena, O perpetuator of Kuru’s
      race, the Suta’s son, that commander (of thy forces), sat down senseless on the terrace of his
      car. The ruler of the Madras then, beholding the Suta’s son deprived of his senses, bore that
      ornament of battle away on his car, from that fight. Then after Karna’s defeat, Bhimasena began
      to rout the vast Dhartarashtra host like Indra routing the danavas.’”
      (Here bhima renders karna senseless but karna was NOT FIRING DIVINE WEAPONS
      Arrows and shafts are mentioned. But still Bhima bested Karna here.

      Advantage Bhima

      • Karna vs bhima battle 17
      O monarch, that once more took place between Karna and the son of Pandu in battle, became, O
      king, exceedingly fierce and awful and fraught with a loud din.. Then Bhima, boasting of his
      prowess in battle, covered Karna in that encounter, O king, with showers of winged shafts in
      the very sight of thy sons. Then Karna, that warrior acquainted with the highest of weapons,
      filled with wrath, pierced Bhima with nine broad-headed and straight arrows made entirely of
      iron. Then Karna, filled with rage, grasped his strong bow and pierced Bhima with ten arrows
      whetted on stone and equipped with kanka feathers. Deeply pierced by Karna, that great bowman
      and foremost of all persons endued with might then took up a terrible shaft capable of piercing
      through the body of his antagonist. That shaft, cutting through Karna’s armour and piercing
      through his body, passed out and entered the Earth like a snake into ant-hill. In consequence
      of the violence of that stroke, Karna felt great pain and became exceedingly agitated. Indeed,
      he trembled on his car like a mountain during an earthquake. Then Karna, O king, filled with
      rage and the desire to retaliate, struck Bhima with five and twenty shafts, and then with many
      more. With one arrow he then cut off Bhimasena’s standard, and with another broad-headed arrow he despatched Bhima’s driver to the presence of Yama. Next quickly cutting off the bow of
      Pandu’s son with another winged arrow, Karna deprived Bhima of terrible feats of his car.
      Deprived of his car, O chief of Bharata’s race, the mighty-armed Bhima, who resembled the Wind-god (in prowess) took up a mace and jumped down from his excellent vehicle. Indeed, jumping down from his car with great fury, Bhima began to slay thy troops, ( Here we see bhima
      realizing he cant prevail over karna and infact was bested by karna here attacking others now )
      Meanwhile, Karna also, O king, covered Dharma’s son (Yudhishthira) that chastiser of foes, with
      thick showers of arrows, and felled his driver. Then that mighty car-warrior beholding
      Yudhishthira fly away in that battle, pursued him, shooting many straight-coursing shafts
      equipped with Kanka feathers. Karna too, otherwise called Vaikartana, O Bharata, in that
      battle, resisted Bhimasena, and the Karushas, the Kaikayas, and the Srinjayas. Meanwhile
      Sharadvata’s son, in that battle, O sire, with great activity, sped many
      ‘Meanwhile Vikartana himself, resisting Bhimasena supported by the Pancalas and the Cedis and
      the Kaikayas, covered him with many arrows. In the very sight of Bhimasena, Karna, slew in that
      battle many mighty car-warriors among the Cedis, the Karushas, and the Srinjayas. Then
      Bhimasena, avoiding Karna, that best of car-warriors, proceeded against the Kaurava troops like
      a blazing fire towards a heap of dry grass. The Suta’s son also in that battle, began to slay
      the mighty bowmen amongst the Pancalas, the Kaikayas, and the Srinjayas, in thousands. Indeed,
      the three mighty car-warriors viz., Partha and Vrikodara and Karna, began to exterminate the
      samsaptakas, the Kauravas, and the Pancalas, respectively. “‘Meanwhile the mighty Karna, having vanquished Satyaki and desirous of rescuing the (Kuru) king, ( Here Satyaki is clearly defeated by karna and after seeing karnas prowess again bhima is avoiding him)

      Advantage Karna

      I counted 5 time advantage bhima and 6 times advantage karna

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      1. Good efforts and assessment but some of the confusions as per KMG (I am sharing few of them) –

        1.“Indeed, the son of Radha, in that encounter, fought mildly with Bhima, while Bhima, remembering his former wrongs, fought with him furiously.” (Karna is not serious)

        Is followed by

        “And once more, Bhimasena, endued with the prowess of a celestial, pierced the Suta’s son who was prepared to lay down his life in battle.” (Karna is mighty serious that he can lay down his life)
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        2.“Those winged shafts, piercing through Karna’s body, entered the earth, like the rays of the sun piercing through the clouds.”

        Karna is still alive and active inspite of shafts piercing (passing through) his body and entering earth. Is it the physical structure and might of human in dwapar yug or supernatural or glorification?
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        3.“Afflicted with arrows and his bow cut off, Karna, though proud of his manliness, felt great pain and proceeded to another car. Mounting upon another car that was duly equipped Karna once more proceeded against the son of Pandu, with the fury of the Ocean tossed by the tempest.”

        Karna was injured and his chariot was not damaged. Then why did he board another chariot to continue his fight with Bhima?
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        “Meanwhile, Krishna and Dhananjaya, those chastisers of foes, engaged in battle with the Suta’s son, thought the burthen too great for Bhima to bear.” (Suddenly they also appear fighting with Karna from nowhere and feeling concerned for Bhima’s safety but doing nothing)

        Is followed by

        “Then Karna, the son of Vikartana, made steedless and driverless, and covered in that battle (with shafts), became plunged into great anxiety. Stupefied by Bhima with his arrowy showers, he knew not what to do” (Bhima unable to bear burden but Karna getting stupefied??)

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